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The discussion centers on the impossibility of plotting a continuous function graph that meets the specified conditions. Key points include the requirements for the function and its derivatives, which lead to contradictions, particularly regarding the behavior of the first derivative in the intervals specified. The conditions f(-1) = 0 and f'(x) < 0 for -1 < x < 0 cannot coexist due to Rolle's Theorem, which necessitates a point where the derivative equals zero. Consequently, the participants conclude that it is not feasible to create a graph that satisfies all the given properties. The conversation highlights the importance of clarity in mathematical requirements to avoid such contradictions.
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Plot a continue function graph with the following data o properties f(0)= 0 f of (-1) = 0 f of first derivative in 0 = 0?
f of first derivative in (1) = 0
first derivative (x) > 0 in x >1 and (0,1)
first derivative (x) < 0 in x < -1 and -1<x<0
see my graph is it correct?? where am I wrong

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leprofece said:
Plot a continue function graph with the following data o properties f(0)= 0 f of (-1) = 0 f of first derivative in 0 = 0?
f of first derivative in (1) = 0
first derivative (x) > 0 in x >1 and (0,1)
first derivative (x) < 0 in x < -1 and -1<x<0
see my graph is it correct?? where am I wrong

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It's a bit difficult to decipher your requirements. Let me see if I have them correct here:

\begin{align*}
f(0)&=0 \quad \text{satisfied} \\
f(-1)&=0 \quad \text{not satisfied} \\
f'(0)&=0 \quad \text{satisfied} \\
f'(1)&=0 \quad \text{not satisfied} \\
f'(x)&>0 \; \forall \, x>1 \; \text{or} \; 0<x<1 \quad \text{satisfied} \\
f'(x)&<0 \; \forall \, x<-1 \; \text{or} \; -1<x<0 \quad \text{not satisfied}
\end{align*}
 
we keep on bad
Why is not satisfied?? in this two points?' without a graph is for me very difficult to understand
 
If what I wrote is indeed your requirements, there is an inherent contradiction. You require a continuous function on $[-1,0]$, and the requirement $f'(x)<0$ whenever $-1<x<0$ implies that $f$ is differentiable on $(-1,0)$. But then Rolle's Theorem implies there must be a $c\in(-1,0)$ such that $f'(c)=0$, contradicting your last requirement that $f'(x)<0$ for all $-1<x<0$.

The requirements that I wrote down cannot all be satisfied. Could you please state the original problem, word-for-word?

Also, could you please write understandable English, as per http://mathhelpboards.com/rules/? I am not able to decipher your posts.
 
Sketch a continuous graph with the following properties:

f(0)=0
f(-1)=0
f′(0)=0
f′(1)=0
f′(x)>0 for 0<x<1 and x>1
f′(x)<0 for (-1,0) and x<-1

About my english it is sorry to say I am from a latin Country and my mother tongue is not english
Ackbach said:
If what I wrote is indeed your requirements, there is an inherent contradiction. You require a continuous function on $[-1,0]$, and the requirement $f'(x)<0$ whenever $-1<x<0$ implies that $f$ is differentiable on $(-1,0)$. But then Rolle's Theorem implies there must be a $c\in(-1,0)$ such that $f'(c)=0$, contradicting your last requirement that $f'(x)<0$ for all $-1<x<0$.

The requirements that I wrote down cannot all be satisfied. Could you please state the original problem, word-for-word?

Also, could you please write understandable English, as per http://mathhelpboards.com/rules/? I am not able to decipher your posts.
 
leprofece said:
Sketch a continuous graph with the following properties:

f(0)=0
f(-1)=0
f′(0)=0
f′(1)=0
f′(x)>0 for 0<x<1 and x>1
f′(x)<0 for (-1,0) and x<-1

About my english it is sorry to say I am from a latin Country and my mother tongue is not english

Thank you. Yes, the first two conditions contradict the last condition. It's not possible to create a graph with all these properties.
 
no way thanks
 

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