Poisson equation with a dirac delta source.

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The discussion revolves around the Poisson equation with a Dirac delta source, specifically examining the implications of taking the Fourier transform of the equation and the nature of solutions, including the treatment of initial conditions in wave equations.

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  • One participant notes that taking the Fourier transform leads to the loss of homogeneous solutions, questioning where this occurs.
  • Another participant explains that the Fourier transform assumes the function is square integrable, which excludes homogeneous solutions that are not square integrable.
  • A participant poses a question about the difference in the evolution of a function under two different formulations of the wave equation involving a delta function source.
  • Responses indicate that both formulations yield similar results, but the first formulation can account for pre-existing conditions before the delta peak, while the second is limited to conditions for times greater than zero.
  • Further clarification is provided that initial conditions encode prior states of the system, suggesting that the broader domain of the first formulation is acknowledged.
  • One participant confirms the correctness of the Green's function for the Laplace operator, noting that the solution is a distribution rather than a function due to the nature of the source.

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Participants generally agree on the implications of the Fourier transform and the nature of solutions, but there are differing views on the interpretation of initial conditions and the generality of the two formulations of the wave equation.

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The discussion highlights limitations regarding the treatment of homogeneous solutions and the implications of initial conditions in wave equations, with unresolved aspects concerning the specific nature of these conditions.

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Consider:

##\nabla^{2} V(\vec{r})= \delta(\vec{r})##

By taking the Fourier transform, the differential equation dissapears. Then by transforming that expression back I find something like ##V(r) \sim \frac{1}{r}##.

I seem to have lost the homogeneous solutions in this process. Where does this happen?
 
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Taking the Fourier transform you are essentially saying that your domain is infinite and that your function (##V##) is square integrable. The homogeneous solution is not square integrable.
 
Thanks. Maybe you could get this one as well since you already bothered to answer so I don't have to make another post:

What's the difference in the evolution of ##f## for ##t>0## between saying

1) ##\partial_{x}^{2} f - \frac{1}{c^{2}} \partial_{t}^{2}f = -\delta(x) \delta(t)## where nothing is happening before ##t=0##

2) ##\partial_{x}^{2} f - \frac{1}{c^{2}} \partial_{t}^{2}f = 0 ## and to impose a delta peak as initial condition?
 
Essentially nothing, but depending a bit on which initial condition you put a delta in (the wave equation is second order in t and so needs two initial conditions).
 
I was talking about the condition on ##f##, the derivative condition is zero everywhere.

Is it correct to say that the first expression is more general. It can encompass the state of the system at ##t<0##. For example, if an oscillatory motion already exists before this delta peak, this expression can still be in agreement with it.

The second one is only a description for ##t>0## of a special case of the above description (namely, when everything is zero before the delta peak).
 
Well, if you have initial conditions, you are encoding anything that happened before that time in those conditions. So for solving it for future ##t## it does not really matter. But the domain of the other problem is larger, yes.
 
Well, it's all correct with your calculation of the Green function of the Laplace operator. The solution is not square integrable, because it's a distribution and not a function since the source is already a distribution. The Green's function in fact is
$$G(\vec{x})=-\frac{1}{4\pi |\vec{x}|} \; \Leftrightarrow \; \Delta G(\vec{x})=\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}).$$
 

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