Poker probability for two of a kind

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of being dealt at least two of a kind in a 5-card hand from a standard 52-card deck. Participants explore various methods of calculation, including complementary counting and combinatorial approaches, while considering the implications of including or excluding other hand types such as straights and flushes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the complement method to find the probability of no matching cards, resulting in an approximate probability of 49% for at least two of a kind.
  • Another participant references an external source stating the probability of exactly two of a kind is 42.3%, arguing that the complement method does not accurately reflect this probability as it includes other hand types.
  • A participant seeks clarification on using combinations to calculate the probability, noting a discrepancy in their approach.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculation should account for the number of suits and the complexity of card mixtures, indicating that the initial approach may be oversimplified.
  • One participant presents an alternative calculation focusing on the probability of having no pairs, leading to a different probability for at least one pair.
  • There is a discussion about whether the original problem should include straight or flush hands, with calculations provided for these scenarios and their impact on the overall probability.

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Participants express differing views on the correct method for calculating the probability, with no consensus reached on a definitive answer. Multiple competing approaches and interpretations of the problem remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Some calculations depend on specific assumptions about the types of hands included in the probability, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the combinatorial approaches discussed.

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What is the probability that at least two of a kind will be dealt in a hand of 5 cards using a standard deck of 52 cards? I tried to work this problem by using the idea of complement and first figuring out the probability that no cards would match. 1 - (52 *48*44*42*36)/ (52*51*50*49*48) which results in a probability of about 49%. I would like to have confirmation that this answer is correct or another way of solving the problem.---a puzzled math teacher
 
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http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Poker.html

Says that the actual probability of 2 of a kind is 42.3%

Keep in mind that 1 - P(no cards match) is not the probability of getting a 2 of a kind. Instead it is the probability of getting a 2 of a kind, a 3 of a kind, a 4 of a kind, 2 pair, or a full house. And if you add the counts (provided in the link above) of each of these together and divide by the total number of hands, you will get .4929171669 which is exactly your number above.

So to get P(2 of a kind) you would need to subtract the probability of a 3 of a kind, 4 of a kind, 2 pair, and full house from your current number.
 
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Anyone know how to find this answer using combinations?

I thought you find the total number of ways to pick 5 from 52 (2598960) and then find the number of ways to pick a 5 cards with no repetition or 13 choose 5 (1287)

Then do (2598960-1287)/2598960 but this is not the right answer. Anyone know what I did wrong?
 
There are 4 suits, so you would need 4 times 13 choose 5, but then you have all the mixtures of each one of these, which makes it more complicated than what you have. For example, someone can have a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 in 2 (or 3 or 4) different suits, and that is not included in what you had.

In the link I posted above they show the combination.
 
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Maybe the surest way to do this is to look at the possibility of no pair in the hand. This means we take one card from 5 sets of 4 cards and we do this in 13 ways:

(4^5*13C5)/(52C5)=50.7%. So then at least one pair would be 49.3%.
 
Of course, none of that includes straight or flush.
 
Halls of Ivy: Of course, none of that includes straight or flush.

That is no problem since if you have a pair, you never hold a straight or a flush!

Cabernat: What is the probability that at least two of a kind will be dealt?

However, you could interpreting the original problem to include the possibility of holding a straight or flush. For a flush we have 4 suits and 5 choices out of 13: 4*(13C5)/52C5=.00198. For a straight, we have four choices for each of five cards and 40 such cases, taking the ace as both the lowest and highest card: 40x4^5/52C5 = .0158 Then there is the small overlap cosisting of straight flushes and royal ones, there being 40 such cases: 40/52C5 = .0000154. This adds about .0178=1.78% to the previous figure of 49.3% giving about 51.08%.
 
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