Polarization of photons quantum mechanically

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanical perspective of photon polarization, exploring what aspect of the photon is responsible for polarization and how polarizing filters interact with photons. The conversation touches on theoretical interpretations and the implications of measurements in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether polarization arises from the de Broglie wave function or the spin of the photon, and seeks clarification on how polarizing filters determine which spin can pass through.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of a photon "getting polarized" is based on a misunderstanding, asserting that polarization is simply the spin component of the photon's quantum state.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the description of a photon is basis dependent, implying that without an asymmetry, the photon's state can vary based on the measurement basis used.
  • One participant counters that while the components of a photon's state may be basis dependent, the state itself is not, and emphasizes that measuring polarization changes the state of the photon.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of polarization, with some participants suggesting that it is an inherent property of the photon rather than something that is added or modified through external actions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photon polarization and the implications of measurement. There is no consensus on whether polarization is an inherent property or something that can be altered through interaction with filters.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of photon polarization and the role of measurement in quantum mechanics, indicating that assumptions about classical interpretations may not apply directly in the quantum realm.

sol47739
Messages
38
Reaction score
3
TL;DR
I have some fundamental questions about the polarization of photons from the quantum mechanical perspective.
What is it of the photon that gets polarized from a quantum mechanical perspective? In the classical perspective it is often thought that it is the oscillating electric field that gets polarized. But in the quantum case: Is it the de Broglie wave function? Or is it the spin and in case it is the spin, how is the polarizing filter able to determine which kind of spin gets through? What is the polarizing filter made of incase it determines what kind of spin of the photons get’s through?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
sol47739 said:
What is it of the photon that gets polarized from a quantum mechanical perspective?
The question is unanswerable because it is based on a false assumption. A photon doesn't "get polarized" by acting on some part of it. Polarization is just the spin part of the photon's quantum state.

Thinking of what is classically called "unpolarized light" is not a good way to approach photon polarization in QED. Classical "unpolarized light", in quantum terms, is (highly heuristically) just a huge number of photons with random polarizations, so the total polarization is negligible. But there is no such thing as an "unpolarized" single photon.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: PeroK
PeterDonis said:
But there is no such thing as an "unpolarized" single photon.
But that is a bit too facile it seems to me. Absent some asymmetry (perhaps a filter) the description of the photon is basis dependent. In particular one can have RHCP and LHCP or X and Y .
PeterDonis said:
A photon doesn't "get polarized" by acting on some part of it.
The polarization of "the photon" will produce an answer that depends upon the question. In that sense one "acts upon it".
 
hutchphd said:
the description of the photon is basis dependent
The photon's state is not basis dependent. Its components might be, but that is true of any quantum system.

hutchphd said:
The polarization of "the photon" will produce an answer that depends upon the question.
You can change the polarization part of a photon's state by measuring its polarization, yes. But that's true of any quantum system: a measurement, unless it already happens to be in an eigenstate of the measurement operator, will change the state.

hutchphd said:
In that sense one "acts upon it".
Perhaps, but I don't think that's what the OP meant. The OP seemed to me to be thinking of polarization as something you "do" to some part of the photon. That's not correct. Polarization is, as I said, the spin part of the photon's state. Or, if you like, it's the spin degree of freedom of the photon. It's not something you "add on" to a photon by doing something to it: that spin degree of freedom is always there.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: hutchphd

Similar threads

Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 41 ·
2
Replies
41
Views
6K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
5K