Poll: For physics and math, Notebook vs Loose leaf papers

[fresh_42]

Does anybody knows why Newton wrote on single folded sheet instead on quires?

You cannot ignore 350 years of global, technical development and compare now and then.

 

[user079622]

You cannot ignore 350 years of global, technical development and compare now and then.

Yes I agree but codex, manuscripts was sewed with few sheets together(quiers/gatherings) centuries before Newton, because you have less sewing and pages is harder to loose.

 

[user079622]

I was extremely particular. Those pages are brown. I need white. Pencil on white printer paper gives a stronger contrast. And. I really really need to have that horizontal line and the sound it makes. I feel these pages would tear. lol. And double work having to transfer it over? Nope. That is part of the study process. Copying it over does help with memory retention. I am primarily a visual learner. I can read the text book. Look at the slides. Just look with my eyes. All I really need. Recopying makes it look nicer for my visual learning. And it does engage the brain a little differently. Fascilitating commitment to memory.

Where do you storage printer papers?

 

[robphy]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned what used to be called
TabletPCs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC ; nowadays: laptops with a stylus).

Here's an old post of mine from 2013 ( Latex vs Writing Math: Can I Achieve Fluency? ) and
from 2006 [reposted in 2014] ( https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...science-teaching-blog-entry-from-2006.767963/ ).

I have been using Windows Journal since 2003. I try to put dates and keywords in my filenames, then organize them into folders. I probably should update to, say, OneNote.

Some of my students use OneNote on their laptops-with-stylus or something similar on their iPads.

 

[user079622]

@fresh_42
What do you think, for print papers?

 

[xTheFormlessOnedx]

@xTheFormlessOnedx

You didn't write how you store A4 papers?
Binder, pocket?

A folder. That I stored in my binder I believe.

 

[xTheFormlessOnedx]

Do you find easier to write on one sheet of paper then in notebook, because paper don't have thick edge that rubs against arm or you consider this irrelevant?


I mean on binders, pockets etc
Yes, nobody use sheets without storing them somewhere

Dude. One sheet of paper on a hard surface! The writing, structures, and math looks Mint!!!!!! with a notebook, you dont get that 1 sheet of paper on a hard surface feel, due to all the other pages within the notebook!. Thats actually a point about the edges'/rings rubbing against the arms. it does kind of get in the way if you are being super analytical. Like i am sometimes.

 

[xTheFormlessOnedx]

What is booklet, a few A3 folded on half?


Any reason why you dont use notebook?

No way, because I cant edit poll any more

see posts 13 and 17. and then also. 1 sheet on a hard surface!

 

[user079622]

Dude. One sheet of paper on a hard surface! The writing, structures, and math looks Mint!!!!!! with a notebook, you dont get that 1 sheet of paper on a hard surface feel, due to all the other pages within the notebook!. Thats actually a point about the edges'/rings rubbing against the arms. it does kind of get in the way if you are being super analytical. Like i am sometimes.

Is your decision to write like that just for the sake of functionality or is there a bit of romance in physics because that's how other physicists wrote, Newton, Einstein... ?

All paper from manuscripts was written first on sheets of paper, never directly in already blank bounded manuscript/codex.
Yes for scribes was easier to wrote at on sheet of paper then in book, plus you can organized papers as you wish, but why then 90% of students use notebook?

 

[BillTre]

The main differences are bound notebooks are more secure. They are required fr some jobs. Pages are less likely to be lost and from a business and legal point of view, page removal is kind of obvious.
The loose leaf notebooks (based on three hole punched papers in a notebook) are way more flexible. It was the basis of my record keeping for experiments. I liked this and it seemed unlikely I would have to worry about protecting my intellectual property and worry about the associated legal stuff.

Either way (bound or unbound) additions to the pages could be made. I knew people who would dried/stained gels in their notebooks. I preferred stapling, but there is also glue and tape.
As I understand it now, these thins are a lot more digital. This would seem to have many advantages.
It would however, lack the sensual feeling of writing on pager.
They'll make an app for that.

I hated the notebooks that were supposed to make a carbon copy (yellow paper I think) of the page you were writing on. You could then tear out the copy and do something with it. It was messy because of the carbon paper and it didn't work well for me. It was probably in chemistry classes where they were training chemists for jobs in industry. This would all be digital now I would think.

 

[user079622]

The main differences are bound notebooks are more secure. They are required fr some jobs. Pages are less likely to be lost and from a business and legal point of view, page removal is kind of obvious.
The loose leaf notebooks (based on three hole punched papers in a notebook) are way more flexible. It was the basis of my record keeping for experiments. I liked this and it seemed unlikely I would have to worry about protecting my intellectual property and worry about the associated legal stuff.

Either way (bound or unbound) additions to the pages could be made. I knew people who would dried/stained gels in their notebooks. I preferred stapling, but there is also glue and tape.
As I understand it now, these thins are a lot more digital. This would seem to have many advantages.
It would however, lack the sensual feeling of writing on pager.
They'll make an app for that.

I hated the notebooks that were supposed to make a carbon copy (yellow paper I think) of the page you were writing on. You could then tear out the copy and do something with it. It was messy because of the carbon paper and it didn't work well for me. It was probably in chemistry classes where they were training chemists for jobs in industry. This would all be digital now I would think.

Notebook has two problems:
1. no organisation
2. edge-arm problem(when you write a lot, it is easier to write on sheet of paper)

But still almost everyone at university class use notebook not binder...(if I dont count digital tools)

 

[BillTre]

Notebook has two problems:
1. no organisation
2. edge-arm problem(when you write a lot, it is easier to write on sheet of paper)

But still almost everyone at university class use notebook not binder...(if I dont count digital tools)

"1. no organisation":
You can insert or glue in tabs or special pages.
For me, I would often have the holes tear out. Therefore hole reinforcer stick on circles. Or tape hole punched. Or stick it on another page (messy). Kind of a hassle.

"2. edge-arm problem(when you write a lot, it is easier to write on sheet of paper)"
I would write in a stack of papers, often on a clipboard (which I still use). The paper is then put into a notebook.
i guess this kind of avoids the problem. I think someone else had also mentioned this.

 

[user079622]

I would write in a stack of papers, often on a clipboard (which I still use). The paper is then put into a notebook.
i guess this kind of avoids the problem. I think someone else had also mentioned this.

But then you are not use "notebook", you use sheet of papers.
Classic notebook=fixed number of papers(thickness)

Refilible "notebook" I put in binder camp.

 

[BillTre]

But then you are not use "notebook", you use sheet of papers.
Classic notebook=fixed number of papers(thickness)

Sheets of papers kept in notebooks. You could write in the notebook, but that's not always necessary and easier on a clip board or pad of papers.
This is how lab note books used to be done by a lot of biologists at universities. I don't know the standard practices now. I would guess that things are more regulated and standardized now.

 

[user079622]

Sheets of papers kept in notebooks. You could write in the notebook, but that's not always necessary and easier on a clip board or pad of papers.

How this loose leaf of papers stay in notebook, notebook has binder system or spiral?

 

[BillTre]

It is usually works like this:

You can make the claw things close into ringers or open for making changes.

 

[user079622]

It is usually works like this:
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You can make the claw things close into ringers or open for making changes.

I consider this as binder category.

 

[user079622]

https://www.uah.edu/images/administ...outs/handouts_2019/note-taking_strategies.pdf

Quote from text:

"Tips for Taking Notes:
 Use a binder of loose-leaf paper rather than a spiral-bound notebook.
Using loose-leaf paper will allow you to rearrange your notes and replace them whenthey are rewritten or reorganized. Using a binder will allow you to keep your classhandouts and print-offs together with your notes and to have a well-organizednotebook. You can also use tabs so that you have all of your classes in one notebookand are never without something to study.
 Take notes on only one side of the paper.
Using only one side of the paper allows you to spread out your notes and see themall at once.
 Date, number, and title your notes.
This will help you find information more quickly later when you need it. Use your title tosummarize the main topic of the lecture.
 Focus on facts, ideas, and specific examples rather than writing every word.o Ideas are especially important in literature, philosophy, and history classes, so be sureto record more than just facts."

 

[BillTre]

I consider this as binder category.

"Tips for Taking Notes:
 Use a binder of loose-leaf paper rather than a spiral-bound notebook.

Thought you didn't like the binder category.

 

[vela]

Back in my day, I preferred loose-leaf over spiral-bound notebooks for the reason given in the first tip. I also really didn't like the frayed left edge when a sheet was torn out (and still don't). I used engineering paper when I majored in EE, and notepads with regular lined paper and plain white paper later on. This was mainly for homework since I stopped taking notes in the middle of my freshman year.

These days, it seems most of my students prefer spiral-bound notebooks, but there are a growing number who take notes and do homework on tablets.

 

[pines-demon]

What about putting notebooks inside a binder?

 

[AndreasC]

The answer is tablets with a stylus. It saves you from wasting tons of paper, carrying around notebooks and forgetting where you wrote things. Plus you can easily copy/paste and erase things.

 

[Klystron]

Since you asked,

I used college-ruled 3 and 4 subject spiral notebooks for lecture notes. Loose sheets and papr handouts fit in the cardboard pockets that divide the subjects. Spiral notebooks travel well in a bookbag, plus I found studying my notes in sequence helped memory.

University policy mandated standard black 'composition notebooks' for lab notes. I preferred graph paper versions for physics labs. Come to think of it, I also used graph paper spiral notebooks for STEM subjects, that is, one or two sections were graph paper.

Call me old fashioned but I used yellow A4 legal pads secured in a clipboard for most math homework handwritten using #2 sharpened pencils. I would paste in graphs and computer printouts, as required.

As I worked full time as a software engineer at NASA to put myself through uni, the official looking clipboard helped disguise my homework from prying busybodies. (Managment knew and approved my working on STEM homework as long as my teams met deadlines and software exceeded requirements.)