Polynomials and function space over fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of the function mapping polynomials over a field to functions from that field to itself. Specifically, participants explore the conditions under which this mapping is one-to-one and onto, depending on whether the field is finite or infinite.

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Main Points Raised

  • Kriti questions why the mapping from F[x] to F^F is one-to-one if and only if F is infinite, and onto if and only if F is finite.
  • Some participants suggest that the kernel of the mapping being zero implies that F must be infinite, but they seek clarification on the reverse implication.
  • Others argue that for finite fields, the characteristic leads to specific behaviors of polynomials, such as (x+1)^p = x^p + 1, which may help in understanding the mapping's properties.
  • A participant presents a theorem regarding polynomials that vanish at all elements of an infinite field, asserting that such a polynomial must be the zero polynomial.
  • Another participant notes that the proof for surjectivity also demonstrates non-injectivity in the finite case due to the infinite domain and finite target.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the properties of finite and infinite fields regarding the mapping's injectivity and surjectivity. There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the implications of the kernel being zero or the necessity of finite fields for surjectivity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of polynomial behavior in finite fields and the characteristics of those fields, which may affect the discussion's conclusions.

kritimehrotra
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Hi,

Can someone explain why the following is true? It seems to be an "accepted fact" everywhere I search, and I can't tell why.

Let F be a field. Let E be the function from F[x] to F^F, where F[x] is the set of all polynomials over F, and F^F is the set of all functions from F to F.
Then E is 1-to-1 if and only if F is infinite, and E is onto if and only if F is finite.

Why is this true?

For the first part, I can see that 1-to-1 would mean that the kernel of E is 0. So if F is finite, there should be some non-zero polynomial in F[x] which maps to the zero function in F^F.

For the second part, I can see that if F is finite, then F^F is finite. F[x] is of course infinite, and so it makes sense that E is onto, but can someone give a more conceptual reason why? Or is that the essence of the reasoning?

Thank you!

Kriti
 
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What do you mean by 'the' function? You simply mean the inclusion right? Well, for the first case, if I take a polynomial and consider it as a function, how can it be the zero function (i.e. send every element of F to zero)? Only if it was the zero polynomial.

The second is also easy. Forget fields. Suppose I tell you, over the reals, that f(0)=1, f(1)=10 and f(3)=4, write down a polynomial through the points (0,1), (1,10) amd (3,4), you'd be able to do that easily. Well, the finite field question you ask is no harder.
 
Yes, by "the" function, I meant the natural function mapping each polynomial in F[x] to it's associated function in F^F.

For the first case, what you mentioned is true. I had figured that much myself, but that proves that F is infinite => ker E = 0 <=> E is 1-to-1. How do we go in the opposite direction? I.e., why is it that ker E = 0 => F is infinite?

Similarly, for the second part, what you said was the basic concept I understood. But why does this require a finite field then? Given any function in F^F, couldn't I find some polynomial that could interpolate it?
 
If a field is finite it has a characteristic. It is easy to show that (x+1)^p=x^p+1 when p is the characteristic of a finite field. This is more than enough of a prod to help you with the problems you're having. If that isn't enough, then does the word Frobenious help?
 
Here is a little something to add to what matt-grime was lecturing about.

Theorem: Let [tex]|F|= \infty[/tex] and [tex]f(x)[/tex] be a polynomial if [tex]f(\alpha)=0[/tex] for every [tex]\alpha \in F[/tex] then [tex]f(x)=0[/tex].

Proof: Let [tex]\deg f(x) = n[/tex] (assuming [tex]f(x)\not = 0[/tex]) then [tex]f(x)[/tex] can have at most [tex]n[/tex] zeros. But it clearly does not for any [tex]\alpha \in F[/tex] is a zero. So [tex]f(x)[/tex] must be the trivial polynomial.

Note, if [tex]F[/tex] is finite and [tex]\deg f(x) > |F|[/tex] then the same conclusion can be drawn. But it need not to be always true. Consider [tex]F[/tex] a field of order 3. And [tex]f(x)=x^3-x[/tex] it maps all elements into zero.
 
the proof for surjectivity matt gave also proves non injectivity in the finite case, [besides that it is obvious, since the domain is infinite and the target is finite].
 

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