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The discussion revolves around the impact of low grades in general education courses on graduate school admissions, particularly from the perspective of a pure mathematics major struggling in honors microeconomics. Participants explore the implications of these grades on future academic opportunities and the perceptions of admissions committees.

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  • One participant questions how low grades, specifically Cs or lower, in general education courses will affect graduate school admissions, particularly in relation to their major in mathematics.
  • Another participant suggests that the impact of a single low grade may be minimal, depending on overall performance, but multiple low grades could negatively affect perceptions of effort.
  • A third participant emphasizes that if microeconomics is the only course with a low grade, it may not significantly hinder admission chances, but multiple failures could be detrimental, especially for top schools.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of asking if a low grade will hurt chances, arguing that the real concern is the extent of the impact, which is difficult to quantify without specific application details.
  • This participant also raises concerns about the implications of failing an honors course and the importance of demonstrating resilience in less enjoyable subjects for future success in graduate school.

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Participants express varying opinions on the significance of low grades in general education courses, with some suggesting that a single low grade may not be detrimental while others caution that multiple low grades could raise concerns about a candidate's commitment and ability to succeed in graduate studies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact impact of such grades on admissions.

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Participants acknowledge that the effects of low grades depend on individual circumstances, including overall GPA and the specific graduate programs to which one is applying. There are also concerns about the implications of failing an honors class and the necessity of engaging with challenging material.

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How do low grades (say, Cs or lower) in general education courses affect graduate school admissions?

In my case, I'm a pure mathematics major who is failing honors microeconomics. I just absolutely loathe the subject. How is this going to affect my future? Will they care, or just look at my math/science courses?
 
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It depends on the graduate school and how well you do otherwise.

One C, D, or F in a gen ed course probably won't hurt you more than the downward pull on your overall GPA. More than one and you're looking like a slacker.
 
As Courtney said,

It depends on how many courses fall into this category. if microeconomics the only one? If so, I doubt it'll hurt you that much, but if you have more than one your going to look like your not trying your hardest.

If this is the only gen ed your failing then, it probably won't keep you out of every grad school, but it's not going to help you get into the top schools.
 
I don't really understand why people ask "Will an F in XXX hurt my chances?" Do you think your transcript would look better if the F were an A? Then you have your answer.

The only question is "how much will it hurt", and the only way to tell that is to know how close to the line you are. After all, it only makes a difference if it moves you from one side of the line to the other. The only way to know that is if we had your application and all the other applications. Since that's not going to happen, I don't see how we can quantify this.

That said, there are two red flags that this raises, and I think both are potentially more dangerous than an F. One is that it's an honors class that you're failing. The admissions committee will surely wonder why you didn't just transfer into the regular section. Not taking steps to rectify an academic problem looks bad. The other is your reason for doing poorly - if you do poorly when you don't find the material sufficiently enjoyable, I can tell you right now that grad school is not the place for you. There will be many times when you have to learn something that's Dull But Important. Learn it well. If you can't or won't do this, you will not succeed. Admissions committees do not want to admit people who they think won't succeed.
 

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