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News Portlandia has struck again: fluoride in water

  1. May 31, 2013 #1
    I know this is a bit late but I'm catching up the news a bit. The vote to fluoridate the water supply had failed.



    Of course the main opposition was environmentalists, naturopaths, and others with reactionary "organic" agendas came out against "poisoning" our "pure" water. It's times like this that I'm embarrassed to live here.
     
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    Imagine when Sarah finds out her own body is completely made up of chemicals. Oh the horror!!! :D

    It's a good living when you're a dentist in Portland!
     
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  4. May 31, 2013 #3

    jedishrfu

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    This is sad. It follows the popular trend that science is bad and we reject whatever it recommends even if its been done before for decades in other communities.
     
  5. May 31, 2013 #4

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    Portland, where the rest of Oregon goes to laugh.
     
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  6. May 31, 2013 #5

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    I'm not sure I agree on adding F to the water supply. I know it has its benefits, but it also has negative long-term side effects http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255877, and I think an educated public has the right to vote on what they decide is acceptable risk.

    Unfortunately I have a strong inclination to believe that Portland is more of a "a little education can go a long way in the wrong direction" mindset.
     
  7. May 31, 2013 #6

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    I somewhat do not get the reason for putting fluoride into tab water. Sure, it works, but this is rather a sensible measure for developing countries. It should not be necessary in the US. Putting fluoride into water seems especially awkward as it is strictly speaking enforced medication. As the US typically value individual decisions, this seems just odd.

    I do not buy all that "fluoride is oh so toxic"-stuff, but without doubt there is a very small minority hypersensitive to fluoride. These are somewhat screwed if fluoride is added to the water.

    In other countries, it is quite typical to add fluoride to salt. That seems way more sensible as salt is very cheap and one can still pick an alternative not containing fluoride.
     
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  9. Jun 1, 2013 #8
    Has that study been replicated? Or does it stand alone? It's certainly against the existing consensus, so without additional studies to support it I wouldn't put much confidence in it.

    One of the problems with Portland is that it's a major center of the New Age movement. Add to that the stranglehold radical environmentalism has on our political system and you end up with a reactionary obsession on being "natural" and "pure".
     
  10. Jun 1, 2013 #9

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    Do I recall correctly, that the push to fluoridate water came about because some tribe someplace that had unusually healthy teeth was found also to have naturally occurring fluoride in their drinking water source?

    I too must then ask: does it make sense to fluoridate water that's used for doing laundry, washing cars and watering lawns?

    My layman's two cents says:
    1. Find out how much refined sugar was in that tribe's diet.
    2. Put the fluoride where the teeth are: toothpaste , chewing gum and mouthwash.

    oops - I must withdraw the 'washing cars' remark -
    disclosure: back when I had a shiny new Lincoln Continental I washed it exclusively with Perrier water.
     
  11. Jun 2, 2013 #10

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    Not in my opinion.
    As a current and native Portlander, I can tell you that it is more complicated than just "fluoridation".

    I would classify Portland's water supply as being nearly equivalent to bottled water. And after I run it through a carbon filter, I'm not able to distinguish it from bottled water. We had friends move to southern California back in the 70's, and they would request that we bring tap water down with us on our annual summer road trips.

    Another complicating factor is the water bureau itself. Just a couple of years ago, if was found that the agency spent 4 million dollars on projects completely unrelated to water. A lot of us for this reason now view anything the water bureau does with suspicion.

    Our rates quintupled when they forced the sewer system on us. Damn poop tax!

    Adding fluoride to the water would have raised our rates, again.

    Call me old fashioned, but I will always vote against fluoridation of our water supply.

    If anyone doubts my comments on the quality of our water, then you should sample the water from one of these when you come to visit. They are all over the core of downtown.

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    Ha! Didn't work. :tongue: (Portland is rumored to now be the beer capitol of the world)

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    ps. I use fluoridated toothpaste, but would probably not be interested in fluoridated beer. (hic!) :blushing:
     
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    The rates didn't need to go up at all, the problem as you mentioned is that they deliberately overcharge to use the excess revenue as a slush fund. Is this still going on? If the water bureau is breaking the law then why isn't their leadership being lead away in handcuffs?
     
  13. Jun 2, 2013 #12

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    It's not that simple: the waterfolk would officially claim that everything they do is related in some way to their mandate, and it would then have to go before the courts.

    Furthermore, Portland is a democracy. They could elect commissioners who don't do that. However, that would require voting for The Other Party, which people don't want to do. (And yes, I know that Portland elections are technically nonpartisan, but the commissioner in question is an officeholder with the majority party.)
     
  14. Jun 2, 2013 #13

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    Really? How were they going to pay for the five million dollar facility? With dirt?

    I just read that it costs Sacramento a million dollars a year to fluoridate their water. They supply 1/8 the population that we do. There are economies of scale of course, but that gives us a base cost.

    Who was going to pay for that? Can you say; "ME!"

    Rates didn't need to go up. Pfft!
    I don't know if it's still going on. But in my quest for an answer, I ran across this comment:

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    I didn't believe it, so I checked my tube of toothpaste.

    It's true. Go check for yourself.

    I also read this comment:

    I know someone who lost half of his teeth by the time he was 30. He only drank Cola. And what teeth he does have left, are kind of disgusting. I drink only water. Oh and beer of course.
     
  15. Jun 2, 2013 #14

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    My wife, who until she just recently retired, was a dental assistant here in Portland, said that they could always tell when a new patient had moved here from somewhere else just from the better condition of their teeth.
     
  16. Jun 2, 2013 #15

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    Ask, and you shall receive:

    And a damn weird on at that, thank you very much.
    Our last mayor was of the "majority party", but decided against running for re-election. I seriously doubt he would have won if he had. He was an over-the-top greenie, IMHO. He screwed up the parking in front of my favorite Sushi bar with another stinking bike path. I never forgave him. The fact that he accidentally showed up at my 50th birthday party, and gave me a condolence hug, does not affect my opinion of him in the least.

    What was that line from Lord of the Rings?
     
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  17. Jun 2, 2013 #16

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    Oh yeah! Well, um, do you have to pump your own gas?

    Yes, most of my teeth do have fillings, but this is just our "Left" coast way of keeping dentists and dental assistants employed. :biggrin:

    I still have all my teeth, btw. Except for my four wisdom teeth. The navy required that they all be removed before they even popped through my gums. Something about being on a submarine, with only a Corpsman* on board.

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    *Corpsman: an enlisted medical specialist of the United States Navy
    Good god, I'd hate to see the etymology of that term..... :bugeye:

    Never mind: "Corps" and "corpse" both have the same ultimate origin in Latin "corpus" (body).
     
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  18. Jun 2, 2013 #17

    russ_watters

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    Since a lot of bottled water is tapwater, that shouldn't be a surprising revelation!
     
  19. Jun 2, 2013 #18

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    Once again proving NJ is the best state in the union
     
  20. Jun 2, 2013 #19

    russ_watters

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    How can a state where people don't even know how to pump gas be the best in the union?
     
  21. Jun 2, 2013 #20

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    There are 2 states in the Nation where you can't pump your own gas, Oregon is the other.
     
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