Position is no more an operator in QFT

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the position operator in quantum field theory (QFT) and its implications in both quantum mechanics (QM) and relativistic quantum theory. Participants explore the meaning and existence of a position operator, particularly in the context of many-particle systems and the Standard Model.

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  • Some participants assert that there is no operator for time in quantum mechanics due to issues with unbounded energy, suggesting that position may similarly lose its operator status in field theory.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that in systems with many identical particles, the concept of position becomes less meaningful, with number density taking precedence.
  • One participant argues that while there is no position operator in local relativistic QFT, a position operator can be defined for massive particles, which aligns with non-relativistic quantum theory.
  • There is a discussion about the Newton-Wigner position operator, which some participants note does not transform as a Lorentz vector, raising questions about its validity as a position operator in QFT.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of a position operator, with emphasis on the need for precise definitions to make sense of the question in the context of QFT.
  • One participant references a peer-reviewed article discussing the properties of the Newton-Wigner position function, although they express uncertainty about its details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and definition of a position operator in QFT, with no consensus reached on the matter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

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Limitations include the need for precise definitions of "position operator" and the unresolved nature of the Newton-Wigner operator's properties in relation to Lorentz transformations.

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In quantum mechanics there is no operator for time (problem with unbounded energy).
position is no more an operator in field theory. was there still a problem in QM?
 
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Say there are many particles of same kind, position lose its meaning and number density takes its palce.
 
In general there is no position operator in relativistic quantum theory, at least not within the only kind of relativistic QT that's successful in describing the real world in terms of the Standard Model, which is local relativistic QFT.

However, for all massive particles you can define a position operator having the usual properties. Since only massive particles have a useful non-relativistic limit, there is no contradiction between having a position operator in non-relativistic quantum theory and local relativistic QFT.

The representations of the Galilei group for massless particles doesn't lead to a physically interpretable quantum theory. See also my comment on this here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...r-the-gravitational-field.997062/post-6433476
 
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Is there a position operator in QFT? The question does not make sense until one defines what exactly one means by "position operator". There is operator that satisfies some properties one would expect from a decent position operator, but not all. In particular, the Newton-Wigner position operator does not transform as a Lorentz vector.
 
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I was referring to the usual definition of position operators, as explained in

https://arnold-neumaier.at/physfaq/topics/position.html

It's of course not part of Lorentz four-vector operator, because otherwise time would be an operator too, but that cannot be by construction, because the energy spectrum is bounded from below.
 
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Is there a position operator in QFT? The question does not make sense until one defines what exactly one means by "position operator". There is operator that satisfies some properties one would expect from a decent position operator, but not all. In particular, the Newton-Wigner position operator does not transform as a Lorentz vector.
Position in relativistic physics is an interesting thing. It happens that the classical position operator IS a Newton-Wigner operator and, also, does-not transform as a 4-vector (can't give a reference, is still in peer review).

Moreover, I think the Newton-Wigner position function (https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.09723) of Hamiltonian mechanics has the same property, though I'm not sure, I haven't read the article in full details.
 
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