Position & Momentum: Understanding Expectation Values

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The discussion revolves around the expectation values of operators in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the relationship between position and momentum operators. Participants explore the calculation methods for these expectation values and the implications of non-commutativity in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the expectation value of the position operator and its relationship with momentum operators, specifically noting the non-commutative nature of these operators.
  • Another participant suggests a method for evaluating expectation values by applying the operator to the wave function, multiplying by the complex conjugate, and integrating.
  • A question is raised regarding whether the same principles apply to electric field (E) and magnetic field (B) operators.
  • There is a mathematical expression proposed for calculating expectation values, with a focus on the momentum operator represented as p = -iħ(∂/∂x) and the position operator as x.
  • One participant points out a potential omission in the mathematical expression provided by another, specifically regarding the inclusion of a variable x in the first term.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the calculation of expectation values and the application of operators, with no consensus reached on the specific methods or interpretations presented.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of operators and the implications of their non-commutativity, indicating potential limitations in their understanding or the clarity of the mathematical expressions discussed.

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Good morning- afternoon.

First of all, apologize for my bad English.

After reading about how the expected value of an operator <q> is what we would measure in classical mechanics and that for the case in which we have various of them it is not trivial to deduce in which order these operators go for the lack of commutative propriety. <px> is not <xp> and that the true form to measure <xp>=(1/2)< xp+px>. I haven’t found how to calculate )< xp+px>

If anyone could point me a webpage or book where that is explained, it would be a great hel for me.

Thanks.
 
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You would evaluate it as you would the expectation value of any other operator. Apply the operator to the wave function, multiply by the complex conjugate of the wave function, and integrate.
 
is it the same thing for E and B?
 
So would it be ∫dx Ψ* [(-iħ ∂/∂x)+(-iħ ∂/∂x)(x)] ψ = ∫dx Ψ* (-iħ ∂/∂x ψ) + ∫dx Ψ* (-iħ ∂/∂x)(x ψ) then?; with p = -iħ(∂/∂x) and position= x
 
Frank Einstein said:
∫dx Ψ* [(-iħ ∂/∂x)+(-iħ ∂/∂x)(x)] ψ

You omitted an x in the first term (from the xp).
 
jtbell said:
You omitted an x in the first term (from the xp).
Thanks for pinting that.
 

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