Position wave function of two electrons

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The discussion revolves around calculating the position wave function for a system of two free electrons characterized by their momentum vectors k1 and k2. The original poster seeks to derive Psi_(k1,k2)(x1,x2) for the state |k1,k2>, while also referencing the normalization condition involving the delta function.

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  • The original poster attempts to express the position wave function in terms of momentum eigenfunctions and explores the implications of using delta functions in the context of wave functions. Other participants question the validity of certain substitutions and suggest considering wave packets instead of definite momentum values to address localization issues.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, providing feedback and raising questions about the assumptions made regarding momentum and position. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a physically acceptable starting point, such as wave packets, and the implications of the Pauli exclusion principle for the total wave function.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the nature of the momentum eigenstates and their implications for the wave function's localization. The original poster is also seeking clarification on the definitions and meanings of the states involved.

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Hi,

I want to calculate the position-wave-function of a system of two free electrons with momenta k1 and k2 (vectors).

1. Homework Statement


So, I want to have Psi_(k1,k2)(x1,x2) for a state |k1,k2>

I also know that <k'|k> = (2Pi)^3 Delta(k-k')

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried the following:

Psi(x1,x2)=<x1,x2|k1,k2>=<x1,x2|1|k1,k2>=Integral<x1,x2|k1',k2'><k1',k2'|k1,k2>dk1dk2

The first term <x1,x2|k1',k2'> are the momenta eigenfunction in Space presentation, the second term is the given delta-function:

= Integral Exp(ik1'x1)Exp(ik2'x2) Delta(k1-k1')Delta(k2-k2')
=Exp(ik1x1)Exp(ik2x2)

Is that right?
I'm a bit confused about k1,k2 and k1',k2'Best regards :-)
Faust
 
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Faust90 said:
Psi(x1,x2)=<x1,x2|k1,k2>=<x1,x2|1|k1,k2>=Integral<x1,x2|k1',k2'><k1',k2'|k1,k2>dk1dk2

The first term <x1,x2|k1',k2'> are the momenta eigenfunction in Space presentation, the second term is the given delta-function:

= Integral Exp(ik1'x1)Exp(ik2'x2) Delta(k1-k1')Delta(k2-k2')
=Exp(ik1x1)Exp(ik2x2)
Aren't you running in circles here? If you can replace <x1,x2|k1',k2'> by Exp(ik1'x1)Exp(ik2'x2), why can't you do that with <x1,x2|k1,k2>?

If you take definite values of ##k##, then the wave function is not localized: the uncertainty on position is infinite. You need to take a more physically acceptable starting point, such as a wave packet centered around ##k_1## and ##k_2##. You can then Fourier transform it to get the wave function in position space.

Remember also that the total wave function has to obey the Pauli principle.
 
Hi,

thanks for your answer :-)

I'm still a bit confused. Let me summary again what I have:

Two electrons characterized by a wave vector k, where I know that the normalization is :<k|k'>=(2Pi)^3 Delta(k-k').
Now I have the state |k1,k2> and I shall construct the space wave function.

My first questions:1. The |k>,|k'> are the eigenvectors of the momentum operator, or?
2. Does the state |k1,k2> mean that I have definite values of k?
 
Faust90 said:
My first questions:

1. The |k>,|k'> are the eigenvectors of the momentum operator, or?
2. Does the state |k1,k2> mean that I have definite values of k?
Yes to both.
 
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