Possible Combinations with 2, 3, and 6: 3-Digit and 4-Digit Numbers

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of possible combinations for 3-digit and 4-digit numbers using specified digits, with particular focus on the digits 2, 3, and 6 for the first question, and the digits 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the second question. The original poster presents two questions related to combinatorial counting principles.

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  • Participants explore the concept of combinations and permutations, discussing how to calculate the total possibilities for both questions. There is an examination of the implications of repetition in the first question and the restrictions in the second question.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, providing insights into the reasoning behind their calculations. Some have confirmed the original poster's understanding of the problems, while others are questioning the terminology used, such as the distinction between combinations and permutations.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the terms "combination" and "permutation," indicating a need for clarity in definitions as participants navigate the problems. The discussion also touches on scenarios with varying numbers of choices and the impact of repetition on the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Q #1 - A math teacher wants to give each student a 3 digit number using only the numbers 2, 3 and 6. Numbers can be repeated. How many possible combinations are there?
Q #2 - (simplified) How many possible four digit combinations are there for the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 only using each number once in each combination.

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A #1 - I come up with 27, but I know there is a formula that will help me reach that number without writing each possibility out.
A #2 - I remember from years ago in my HS days a formula that was something like: 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 to figure out this type of questions, but maybe I am way off. Any ideas?
 
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How many ways can the first number be selected for the 3 digit number? There are 3 choices right? Now consider the number of ways which the second number can be selected. Since they can be repeated, there are 3 possibilities again. At this stage, there are 3 starting numbers, and each starting number is followed by 1 of 3 other numbers, giving a total of 3*3=9 combinations. This is only for combinations of 2 different numbers, so now try and apply the same theory to 3.
 
For number 2 your answer is correct. You have 4 choices for the first number. Once you have chosen that, you can't use it again so you have 3 choices for the second number. Now you can't use either of the first two numbers so you have 2 choices for the third number. Of course, there is only 1 number left for the fourth. The total number of ways you could choose is the product of all those: 4*3*2*1, also known as "4!".
 
Thank you for the replys! I want to make sure I understand #1: If we were dealing with a 3 digit number, but had 5 choices (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), would there be 125 possibilities? 5*5*5=125. To complicate things, what if we were dealing with a 3 digit number, had 5 choices, but the numbers could not be repeated? Would it be 5*4*3=60?
 
helpingson said:
Q #2 - (simplified) How many possible four digit combinations are there for the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 only using each number once in each combination.

You possibly meant "permutation", not combination. If you had meant the latter, the answer would be 1, not 4!.

helpingson said:
Thank you for the replys! I want to make sure I understand #1: If we were dealing with a 3 digit number, but had 5 choices (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), would there be 125 possibilities? 5*5*5=125. To complicate things, what if we were dealing with a 3 digit number, had 5 choices, but the numbers could not be repeated? Would it be 5*4*3=60?

Correct in all the cases. The last example is nothing but permutation of 5 things taken 3 at a time.
 
Thank You!
 

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