Possible values and their Probability of Measuring S^2 - Spin

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving two spin 1/2 particles and the measurement of the total spin squared, S^2. The original poster presents a Hamiltonian and an initial state, seeking to determine the possible measurement values and their associated probabilities at a later time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to identify the possible eigenvalues of S^2 and expresses uncertainty about how to calculate the probabilities associated with these measurements. Participants discuss the need to express the time-evolved state in terms of the eigenstates of S^2 and clarify the relationship between these states and the original basis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the state in terms of the eigenstates of S^2, and the original poster appears to be making progress in understanding how to rewrite the states and calculate probabilities. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the addition of angular momentum and the representation of states in different bases, which may be covered in standard quantum mechanics textbooks.

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Homework Statement


I have a two spin 1/2 particles. The Hamiltonian for the system is given as H = w1 S1z + w2 S2z. I need to find the possible values and their probabilities when I measure S^2 at some later time T. Also the Initial state \Psi (0) = a | \uparrow \downarrow > + b | \downarrow \uparrow>

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Now I know for a 2 spin 1/2 particle system, s = 1 and 0.

The eigenvalue equation for S2 is S2|sm> = hbar2 ( s ( s+1) )|sm>

So the possible values are 2 \hbar^2 and 0.

I know at some later time, the state will look like \Psi(t) = a e{-iE_1 t/ \hbar} + b e{-iE_2 t/ \hbar}

and I can find E_1 and E_2

However, how do i find the probabilities?

If I was just looking for S_z probabilities, I know it would be a2 for spin up and b2 for spin down. I also know that if I was looking for S_x I would need to evolve the coefficients in time. However, how do I measure the probabilities of S2?
 
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You need to express |\psi(t)\rangle in terms of the eigenstates of S2. Do you know how to do that?
 
Hmm, I'm not positive... is that writing it in |10> and |00> states? I am not exactly sure how to do this. Can you help get me moving in the right direction?

thanks for the help.
 
Yes, that's what I mean. Do you know how to express those states as linear combinations of |\uparrow\,\downarrow\,\rangle and |\downarrow\,\uparrow\,\rangle? If not, you should figure out how to do that. It's probably covered in your textbook as it's a pretty common example of the addition of angular momentum.
 
Ok, I think I got it,

so using:

e1 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+,-> + |-,+>) with eigenvalue 2hbar^2

and

e2 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+,-> - |-,+>) with eigenvalue 0

I rewrite: |+,-> as (e1 + e2)*(sqrt(2)/2) and |-,+> as (e1 - e2)*(sqrt(2)/2)

Combine e1 and e2 terms. And then the coefficients squared give me the probabilities of measuring each eigenvalue as a function of time.

Sound good?

Thanks for your help.
 
Yup, good job!
 

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