Postdoc and time spent on research

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and expectations of pursuing a postdoctoral position and transitioning to a permanent faculty role in academia, particularly in fields like physics, mathematics, and computer science. Participants explore the competition for faculty positions, the balance of research versus non-research responsibilities, and the future landscape of academic employment.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the level of competition for permanent faculty positions at third-tier universities, suggesting varying numbers of postdocs and levels of brilliance among candidates.
  • There is uncertainty about the percentage of time postdocs spend on non-research activities, with estimates ranging from 20% to 50% or more, depending on the field.
  • Concerns are raised about the future of academic positions, particularly regarding competition from international candidates and budget constraints.
  • Participants discuss the role of staff scientists, questioning their research opportunities and the proportion of time spent on non-research tasks.
  • Some participants express a desire for information on the specific duties and time commitments associated with theoretical mathematics compared to other fields.
  • There is a request for insights into the viability of semi-permanent postdoc positions and the overall experience of working as a theoretical or applied mathematician.
  • Questions are posed about the field of logic and its potential for research, alongside inquiries about the associated administrative and busywork responsibilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the level of competition for faculty positions or the distribution of time spent on research versus non-research activities. Multiple views on the future of academic employment and the nature of various academic roles remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of specific data on current postdoc experiences, varying definitions of "brilliant," and the absence of consensus on the impact of external factors on academic job prospects.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals considering a career in academia, particularly in STEM fields, as well as current graduate students and postdocs exploring their future options.

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How tough is competition to become a perma faculty member at a third tier uni or better? Are there tons of brilliant postdocs to compete with? How many, 2, 5, 10, 50? How brilliant, just good or very good?

Also, how much time in % do you estimate is spent on doing non-research as a postdoc? Such as lecturing, teaching grad studs, administration, grant writing? I imagine you get like 80% of the time to research, the rest goes to other stuff? Is math particularly different in this regard compared to other fields such as CS, theoretical physics, etc?

Furthermore, it the academic landscape likely to change for the drastically worse in 5-10 years time? You know, increased competition from China and India, national budget deficits, faculty retiring...

Also, what's a staff scientist exactly? Does he get to do real research? How large % OF time spent on non-research activities? Permanent or not? Bad or good pay?

Reason for asking is I'm considering going into research.
 
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You know, it's an interesting question because I'm not very clear on my research prospects once I leave grad school whether or not I get on as a prof somewhere. I'm not sure what other jobs allow for research. An obvious choice would be a research oriented non-profit or a think tank, or maybe somewhere like the NSA if that's your thing.
 
weld said:
How tough is competition to become a perma faculty member at a third tier uni or better? Are there tons of brilliant postdocs to compete with? How many, 2, 5, 10, 50? How brilliant, just good or very good?
According to:
http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/emptrends.html

In 2007-2008 among approximately 800 physics and/or astronomy departments (presumably limited to the US) there were 561 new faculty hires (including part-time and temporary appointments):
241 in PhD-granting departments (200 were tenured or tenure-track positions)
62 in Master’s-granting departments
259 in Bachelor’s-granting departments

The physics PhD classes of 2007 and 2008 consisted of 1,460 and 1,499 PhDs, respectively.

You can sort these data into tiers if you want to. I don't know too many non-brilliant post-docs.
 
And also, when researching in theoretical mathematics, since you don't have a lab, do you still have duties such as administration, grant writing, etc? Do you end up spending more time on teaching due to the absence of lab? I really would like to know this.

Also, anyone got an opinion on working as semi-perma postdoc and staff scientists? I wonder if they're worth it or not. Again I would like to know if such positions exist in theoretical mathematics. Any information on how it is to be working as a theoretical, or heck, even applied mathematician would be great. I really need to find facts on it to decide for myself if I really want to commit to it or not. I also appreciate if you can estimate how much time (In %, if possible) is spent on miscellaneous and boring things like doing paperwork and other forms of busywork. I would love to avoid that to the greatest possible degree. Does theoretical computer science really differ a lot from theoretical mathematics in these regards? What about theoretical physics?

Finally, where can I find information on becoming a logician? Is it even a field to do research in? I'm also curious as to how much time is spent on busywork and the like.
 
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