How Many 100W Bulbs Can Be Powered by Converting Water's Potential Energy?

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The problem involves calculating how many 100W light bulbs can be powered by converting the gravitational potential energy of falling water into electrical energy. The scenario specifies dropping 180,000 kg of water from a height of 50 m, with the gravitational acceleration approximated at 10 m/s². Participants are exploring the conversion of potential energy into electrical energy and the implications of units in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential energy using the formula Ep = mgh and the subsequent conversion to electrical energy. There are questions regarding the units of energy and the need for a time component to relate power consumption to total energy. Some participants suggest different interpretations of the problem's formulation and explore the implications of flow rate on energy calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the clarity of the problem statement. Some have proposed assumptions about the rate of water flow to facilitate calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the conversion of energy and the relationship between joules and watts.

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Participants note that the problem may lack clarity regarding the time frame for energy conversion, which is crucial for determining the number of bulbs that can be powered. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and assumptions about the setup and calculations involved.

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Could anyone help me with this sum - To generate electricity, 180000 kg water is dropped from a height of 50 m (let g = 10 m/s^2). If half the gravitational potential energy is converted to electric energy, how many 100 W bulbs can be lit ?

Formula - Ep = mgh

I calculated the potential energy to be 90000000 J. Half of it is electric energy = 45000000 J. I am at a loss from here.
 
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ROCKSTAR99 said:
I calculated the potential energy to be 90000000 Js. Half of it is electric energy = 45000000 Js.
The units don't work. Energy should be in joules. You will also need a time so you can convert the power consumption of the light bulbs into a total energy consumption.
 
DrClaude said:
The units don't work. Energy should be in joules. You will also need a time so you can convert the power consumption of the light bulbs into a total energy consumption.

So, is the question wrong ?
 
ROCKSTAR99 said:
I calculated the potential energy to be 90000000 Js. Half of it is electric energy = 45000000 Js. I am at a loss from here.
why not use the conversion table of watt and joule? one joule per second is equal to one watt!
when water is coming down -it should have some rate of flow - so you should not write Js only -whether s is for time or its joules?
 
ROCKSTAR99 said:
So, is the question wrong ?
Not necessarily. It is not very well formulated, but there are different ways of coming up with a reasonable answer.
 
drvrm said:
why not use the conversion table of watt and joule? one joule per second is equal to one watt!
when water is coming down -it should have some rate of flow - so you should not write Js only -whether s is for time or its joules?

s is for seconds
 
DrClaude said:
Not necessarily. It is not very well formulated, but there are different ways of coming up with a reasonable answer.

Lets say 180000 kg of water fall per hour. Now, can we find an answer ?
 
ROCKSTAR99 said:
s is for seconds

does it mean joule in a second then it is J s^-1 or J/s -it means the rate of flow is there -then you can convert directly to watt and calcilate number of light bulbs.
 
ROCKSTAR99 said:
Lets say 180000 kg of water fall per hour. Now, can we find an answer ?
Yes. You first need to figure out how much gravitational potential energy there is in that mass of water.
 
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drvrm said:
does it mean joule in a second then it is J s^-1 or J/s -it means the rate of flow is there -then you can convert directly to watt and calcilate number of light bulbs.

Using the mgh formula, I multiplied 180000 kg, 50 m and 10 m/s^2. It gave 90000000 kgm^2/s^2. I made a mistake, kgm^2/s^2 equals just Joules and there is no seconds.
 
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ROCKSTAR99 said:
Using the mgh formula, I multiplied 180000 kg, 50 m and 10 m/s^2. It gave 90000000 kgm^2/s^2. I made a mistake, kgm^2/s^2 equals just Joules and there is no seconds.
Correct. Now you need to convert it to power, using the assumption you have made about the rate of flow.
 
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DrClaude said:
Correct. Now you need to convert it to power, using the assumption you have made about the rate of flow.

Ok, so 90000000 J is converted to 45000000 J of electric energy. As 1 watt = 1 joule per second, 45000000 J/ 3600 s gives 12500 W. So, is the answer 125 bulbs (12500 W/ 100 W) ? If it is, Thanks a lot.
 
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ROCKSTAR99 said:
Ok, so 90000000 J is converted to 45000000 J of electric energy. As 1 watt = 1 joule per second, 45000000 J/ 3600 s gives 12500 W. So, is the answer 125 bulbs (12500 W/ 100 W) ? If it is, Thanks a lot.
That sounds fine.
 
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