Potential energy variation = work of -(conservative forces)

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between potential energy variation and the work done by conservative forces. Participants are exploring the fundamental principles of energy conservation in the context of conservative forces and their implications on kinetic and potential energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the equation relating potential energy variation to work done by conservative forces, questioning the implications of energy conservation. There is a discussion on the relationship between changes in kinetic and potential energy, with some participants seeking clarity on how these concepts interrelate.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the conservation of energy and its mathematical representation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between kinetic and potential energy changes, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations being explored.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of conservative forces and energy conservation, with a focus on potential energy rather than kinetic energy. There is an acknowledgment of the conditions under which these relationships hold true.

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Homework Statement



Why is potential energy variation between two points equals to the work of the opposite of conservative forces between these two points?

Homework Equations



If we call these forces $$\vec F_ext^C$$

\begin{equation}
\Delta E_p=E_p(B)-E_p(A)=-\sum W_{A\rightarrow B}(\vec F_{ext}^C)
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought it was the opposite of the kinetic energy...
 
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When we're dealing with conservative forces we know that all the energy before has to be equal to the energy after, that's why they're called conservative forces. Because of that we have
Kbefore + Ubefore = Kafter + Uafter
Kafter - Kbefore = Ubefore - Uafter
ΔK = -ΔU
However, the Work-Energy theorem tells us that ΔK = W, so that W = -ΔU
(K stands to kinetic energy, U stands to potential energy and W stands to work)
 
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##\Delta K =- \Delta U## is just because there was more kinetic energy before than after, isn't it?
And I'm dealing with Potenial energy, not kinetic one, does it change something?
 
AntoineCompagnie said:
##\Delta K =- \Delta U## is just because there was more kinetic energy before than after, isn't it?
And I'm dealing with Potenial energy, not kinetic one, does it change something?
Think about you just said: Kafter < Kbefore ∴ Kafter - Kbefore < 0, if ΔK < 0 then ΔU > 0, right? So what does it means? It means that when the variation of kinetic energy decrease then the variation of potential energy will increase, because it must conserve energy, just think about the energy conservation when dealing with conservative forces.
So in fact you can say either ΔK = W or ΔU = - W since ΔK + ΔU = 0, in other words, W - W = 0 (which holds).
But it's really really important for you to remember that this is only true when there's energy conservation, hence the external force is conservative.
 
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