Potential Energy: Why Don't We Use Product Rule?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of a potential energy function, specifically U = -U0x², and the application of the product rule in calculus. Participants are exploring the reasoning behind the differentiation process and the treatment of constants in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the potential energy function and question why the product rule may or may not apply. There is confusion regarding the treatment of constants during differentiation and the implications for the resulting expression.

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Some participants have provided insights into the differentiation process, noting that constants do not change when differentiated. There is an acknowledgment of the confusion surrounding the application of the product rule, and some clarity has emerged regarding the differentiation of terms involving constants.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of calculus as it applies to physics, particularly in the context of potential energy and force derivation. The discussion reflects a mix of mathematical and conceptual challenges related to the problem.

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i wasnt really sure where to put this question. its kind of a maths question i suppose

the potential energy funtion u along the x-axis is given as

U=-U0x2

the question is really why do i not use the product rule on this equation as it is two variable multiplied together

i am told that the answer is u02x
but I am a bit confused as to why you don't seem to do anythign with the first term apart from multiplied by -1 but still remains there. Is it to be treated as a constant? if so why does it not = 0 when differentiated.

any help would be appreciated =]


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matt_crouch said:
i am told that the answer is u02x
but I am a bit confused as to why you don't seem to do anythign with the first term apart from multiplied by -1 but still remains there. Is it to be treated as a constant? if so why does it not = 0 when differentiated.
I presume the question is to find the force given that potential function. In any case, U0 is a constant. Go ahead and use the product rule if you like; the derivative of a constant is zero.

If y = ax2, what's dy/dx? (a is a constant)
 
sorry ye the question to find the force. and y=ax2 will differentiate to 2x but i don't understand in the question the answer has the constant still in it after its be differentiated

:/
 
aaahh wait i see if i differentiate it using the product rule i do get that answer..
i see why now

dy/dx= da/dx.x2+2x.a but because da/dx = 0 it removes the whole of the first term.

makes more sense now
cheers
 

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