Potential life in Earth's methane lakes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential for life in Earth's methane lakes, particularly in relation to the presence of methane in underground reservoirs and its implications for biological activity. Participants explore the conditions under which methane might exist and the possibility of life forms that could thrive in such environments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Earth's methane lakes could harbor life, similar to discussions about Titan's methane lakes.
  • One participant mentions that some methane in the Earth's crust may be biogenic in origin and references extremophile methanogens and methanotrophs that utilize methane.
  • Another participant asserts that all methane buried in the Earth's crust is in gas form due to temperature conditions, specifically noting the critical temperature of methane.
  • A later reply suggests the possibility of liquid butane instead of liquid methane, indicating uncertainty about the state of hydrocarbons under Earth's conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the state of methane in the Earth's crust, with some asserting it is gaseous while others suggest the potential for liquid forms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications for life in these environments.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the state of methane and the conditions required for life, as well as the definitions of life forms that may not conform to known biological structures.

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There has been some discussion about whether the methane lakes on Titan could harbor life. What I haven't seen discussed is the potential for life in Earth's methane lakes. There are many underground reservoir's on Earth that contain light hydrocarbons such as methane. If I'm not mistaken, the methane is under pressure and should be in liquid form. I suppose no one has preserved methane in its natural liquid state and put it under a microscope. Has no one looked for life in crude oil? I realize no one knows what to look for as radically different life forms might not have DNA. Still, there been so little discussion on this.
 
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I was under the impression that at least some of the methane in the Earth's crust is biogenic in origin
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0009254188901015

EDIT: It also seems that extremophile methanogens exist near ocean vents and possible in the crust and there are organisms called methanotrophs that use methane in their metabolism.
 
dimensionless said:
There has been some discussion about whether the methane lakes on Titan could harbor life. What I haven't seen discussed is the potential for life in Earth's methane lakes. There are many underground reservoir's on Earth that contain light hydrocarbons such as methane. If I'm not mistaken, the methane is under pressure and should be in liquid form. I suppose no one has preserved methane in its natural liquid state and put it under a microscope. Has no one looked for life in crude oil? I realize no one knows what to look for as radically different life forms might not have DNA. Still, there been so little discussion on this.

All methane on Earth that is buried in the Earth's crust is in the gas form. It is far too warm to be compressed into a liquid. The critical temperature for methane is -82.3°C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_point_(thermodynamics)
 

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