Potential Outside charged metal sphere in uniform E field

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The problem involves finding the electric potential outside a charged metal sphere placed in a uniform electric field. The original poster discusses the setup of the problem, including the choice of zero potential location and the application of superposition in their reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the use of superposition to combine potentials from a uniform electric field and a charged sphere. Questions arise regarding the validity of this approach, particularly in relation to the charge distribution on the conductor and the implications of the sphere being a conductor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the implications of charge distribution and the nature of the electric field. Some guidance has been offered regarding modeling the uniform electric field and the arrangement of image charges, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's approach.

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There are questions about the assumptions made regarding the charge distribution on the sphere and the implications of it being a conductor. The original poster's choice of zero potential location is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Find the potential outside a charged metal sphere (charge Q, radius R) placed in an otherwise uniform electric field E0. Explain clearly where you are setting the zero of potential.

2. The attempt at a solution
So for this problem I figured I could exploit superposition and take the potential outside a neutral sphere in a uniform field in the z direction. This potential is V1(r, θ) = -E0(r - R3/r2)cosθ. Then I figured I could simply use the potential outside a uniformly charged sphere of charge Q which would be V2(r, θ) = 1/4πε0Q/r. Then the solution would become V(r, θ) = V1(r, θ) + V2(r, θ) where the zero would have to be along the xy plane where r →∞ since, that is where the potential vanishes by inspection. The only hangup I am having here is whether I am using superposition correctly. Is my argument valid here?
 
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In the field the sphere cannot be uniformly charged - it's a conductor.
 
Simon Bridge said:
In the field the sphere cannot be uniformly charged - it's a conductor.
Hello Simon, I've been pondering over this one, too. Jon treats it as a superposition, so wouldn't that include the non-uniform charge redistribution to get the V1 ?
 
Jonathan K said:

Homework Statement


Find the potential outside a charged metal sphere (charge Q, radius R) placed in an otherwise uniform electric field E0. Explain clearly where you are setting the zero of potential.

2. The attempt at a solution
So for this problem I figured I could exploit superposition and take the potential outside a neutral sphere in a uniform field in the z direction. This potential is V1(r, θ) = -E0(r - R3/r2)cosθ. Then I figured I could simply use the potential outside a uniformly charged sphere of charge Q which would be V2(r, θ) = 1/4πε0Q/r. Then the solution would become V(r, θ) = V1(r, θ) + V2(r, θ) where the zero would have to be along the xy plane where r →∞ since, that is where the potential vanishes by inspection. The only hangup I am having here is whether I am using superposition correctly. Is my argument valid here?
I see nothing wrong with this approach.

One way to model the uniform E field is via two point charges of opposite polarity placed at + and - long distances from the sphere, and choosing q of each appropriately. In this way a uniform E field of any desired direction and magnitude can be modeled with just two point charges .

Then we take an uncharged sphere in this E field and place image charges within it arranged to satisfy the equipotential of the sphere's surface. Then, making the sphere charged just adds the extra point charge Q to the sphere's center. Then superposition is just adding the E fields due to the image charges (there are two of them) and extra charge Q, plus the two charges setting up the E field, all five of which being point charges and amenable to superposition.
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Everybody lose interest? Too bad, I thought it was a good problem ...

Extra observation: how do we know placing the charge Q on the sphere will be at the center? Answer: because any other location would spoil the equipotential set up by the external E field and the image charges.
 
A charge Q on the sphere won't be at the center because it is "on the sphere".
Its not so much a matter of losing interest as a matter of no further comment from OP.
 
Simon Bridge said:
A charge Q on the sphere won't be at the center because it is "on the sphere".
Its not so much a matter of losing interest as a matter of no further comment from OP.
We are talking image charges here. One at the center = Q, the other two at distances +/- R^2/d from the center, d being the distance from the sphere to each of the charges setting up the external field. So, 5 image charges. Obviously, there are no charges within the sphere.
 

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