How Fast Does a Released Mass Travel After Being Stretched by Springs?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 10kg mass attached to two springs, released from the floor, and its speed upon reaching the ceiling. The problem incorporates concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and spring dynamics, with given parameters such as spring constants and distances.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the application of energy conservation principles, questioning the correct use of potential energy terms and the treatment of the springs' stretch. There is discussion about the correct calculation of the energy stored in the springs and the interpretation of the stretched lengths.

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Some participants have provided guidance on correcting the energy calculations and clarifying the stretch of the springs. Multiple interpretations of the energy states are being explored, particularly regarding the contributions of the springs to the total energy at different points in the mass's motion.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the unstretched lengths of the springs and the total stretch involved in the energy calculations. There is a focus on ensuring that all relevant factors, such as the number of springs and their respective contributions to the energy, are accounted for in the problem-solving process.

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A 10kg mass, attached by means of two springs to the ceiling, is held against the floor and is then released. How fast will it be traveling when it hits the ceiling? The spring constant of each spring is 80 N/m, and each spring has an unstretched length of 1 m. Assume that springs become loose and floppy once they're at their rest length.

distance between ceiling and floor: h_o=4m
horizontal distance from mass to each spring: 2m

Springs are at an angle from mass.

I used pythagorean theorem to find stretched length of spring:
s=sqrt(4^2+2^2)=sqrt(20)

I found theta to find h after the mass is released:
tan(theta)=4/2
theta=63.43494

I found h using trig:
h=unstretched length of string*sin(theta)=.8944

The answer is v=9.92m/s

I used this equation to solve for v with my datum at the floor:

PE(sp)=KE+PE(g)
1/2ks^2=1/2mv^2+mgh
1/2(80)(sqrt(20))^2=1/2(10)v^2+(10)(9.81)(.89)
v=11.93m/s
 
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Why did you use 0.89 instead of 4m, for mgh?

Also you need to use 2*((1/2)kx^2) at the bottom instead of just (1/2)kx^2, since there are two springs...

also, the stretched amount of each spring is sqrt(20) - 1, so

initial energy =

2*(1/2)*80*(sqrt(20)-1)^2

also, for final energy, there's still energy stored in the springs... the horizontal distance is 2m, hence each spring is stretched by 1m.
 
Thank you! i got the answer. i just want to know for final energy, the 1 m the springs are still stretched is that from the unstretched length or an additional stretch?
 
kdm06 said:
Thank you! i got the answer. i just want to know for final energy, the 1 m the springs are still stretched is that from the unstretched length or an additional stretch?

additional stretch... total of 2m... 1m unstretched, 1m stretched.
 

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