Spring Question -- A mass falls onto a spring compressing it....

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The problem involves a mass falling onto a spring, with parameters including the mass of the object, the height of the fall, the spring constant, and the velocity at impact. The discussion centers around calculating the compression of the spring and understanding the energy transformations involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss different reference points for gravitational potential energy and how these affect the calculations. Some participants question the validity of ignoring gravitational potential energy during the fall, while others explore the conservation of energy principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the reference point for gravitational potential energy. Some participants have offered insights into the conservation of energy, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is mention of differing reference points for gravitational potential energy, which may lead to varying interpretations of the problem. The original poster's approach contrasts with others, highlighting the complexity of the energy transformations involved.

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Homework Statement


An object with a mass of 6kg falls 1.8m onto a spring with a spring constant of 2x10^3 N/m. At that instant, the velocity of the object is 4m/s. What is the compression of the spring and the max displacements of the spring.
m = 6kg
v = 4m/s
h = 1.8m
k = 2x10^3N/m

Homework Equations


Gravitational potential = mgh
Elastic potential = (1/2)kx^2
Kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


(1/2)kx^2 = (1/2)mv^2
x = √((mv^2)/k)
x = √(((6)(4)^2)/2x10^3)
x = 0.219
This is my answer to a test question but many other people did it in different ways. Some used the floor as the reference point for y=0 where as I used the top of the spring at equilibrium.
 
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The gravitational PE changes as the mass falls. You cannot ignore it.
 
Doc Al said:
The gravitational PE changes as the mass falls. You cannot ignore it.
We’re using the law school of conservation of energy. So if the reference point is at the top of the spring, the gravitational potential is 0, so the only energy there is the kinetic which is equal to the elastic potential when the spring is fully compressed
 
smartdude00111 said:
So if the reference point is at the top of the spring, the gravitational potential is 0, so the only energy there is the kinetic which is equal to the elastic potential when the spring is fully compressed
If the gravitational PE at the top is 0 (a perfectly OK reference point), what will it be when the spring is compressed? It changes.
 

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