Power and Speed Relationship for Lifting Objects

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between power and speed in the context of lifting a 2 kg water container vertically at a constant speed, with a maximum power output of 78 W. Participants explore the implications of power, work, and gravitational forces in this scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between power, work, and force, questioning how to express these concepts mathematically without using calculus. There are various attempts to relate power to the speed of lifting the container, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the role of time in their equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering insights and clarifications about the definitions of work and power. Some have proposed equations relating power to force and velocity, while others are questioning their understanding of the problem setup and the implications of constant speed.

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Some participants express concern about the appropriateness of using calculus in their solutions, while others clarify the distinction between work and power units. There is also a focus on ensuring that the gravitational force is correctly accounted for in the context of lifting the object.

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Homework Statement



The maximum power your body can deliver in lifting an object vertically is 78 W. How fast could you lift, at constant speed, a 2L full water container?

P=78W
m=2kg
t=?
v=?


Homework Equations



P=ΔE/t
E=1/2mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



78W=(.5*m*v2)/t

t=(.5*2*v2)/78

I am unsure what to do when I have a speed constant.
 
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Just remember that if you are lifting it at constant speed that means net force must be zero, or in other words your force should balance that of gravity. Then the rest is fairly straight forward calculus.

W is work done.

dW = F.dx
P = dW/dt
that implies P = F.(dx/dt)=F.v

Oh, and welcome to pf!
 
I don't think I'm suppose to use calculus to solve this problem.

However if W is equal to what is done by gravity and the formula for P=W/t, this is what I get:

P=\frac{W}{t} then t=\frac{m*g}{P} which equals P=\frac{2*9.81}{78W}=0.25s

Is this what you're trying to imply?
 
woaini said:
I don't think I'm suppose to use calculus to solve this problem.

However if W is equal to what is done by gravity and the formula for P=W/t, this is what I get:

P=\frac{W}{t} then t=\frac{m*g}{P} which equals P=\frac{2*9.81}{78W}=0.25s

Is this what you're trying to imply?

Don't confuse Work (Joules) with Power (Watts). Sometimes the variable W is used for Work, but there is also a unit called a Watt, denoted by W, which is not the same thing. A Watt is a unit of power, and represents a Joule/second. The given value, 78 W, means that you can produce 78 Watts of power for the described maneuver.

The current problem is asking you for "how fast" you can do something. In lay terms ("common language usage") that could mean in how short a time, but in physics "how fast" implies a speed. So you're looking for a speed. Look though your notes or text for a relationship between power and velocity... :wink:
 
Ok so this is the relationship I found:

P = \frac{E}{T} = \frac{0.5*m*v^2}{t}

However, I do not have the t variable.

So this is essentially what I can narrow the equation down to:

78W = \frac{0.5*2*v^2}{t} which equals to \frac{v^2}{t}=78

I am unsure what to do when I am that this step as the seconds in the time cannot cancel out with the speed.
 
Never mind, I think I understand it now.

With the equation P=\frac{E}{t} the units are essentially \frac{kg*m^2}{s^3}. This is equivalent to the product of F (N or \frac{kg*m}{s^2}) and speed (\frac{m}{s}). With this in my mind, the speed will be easy to determine as the force is known to be the product of mass and gravity.

Is there any flaw in this explanation?
 
woaini said:
Never mind, I think I understand it now.

With the equation P=\frac{E}{t} the units are essentially \frac{kg*m^2}{s^3}. This is equivalent to the product of F (N or \frac{kg*m}{s^2}) and speed (\frac{m}{s}). With this in my mind, the speed will be easy to determine as the force is known to be the product of mass and gravity.

Is there any flaw in this explanation?

Nope, that is well reasoned. In fact, a very useful relationship is the fact that the power delivered by a force F to a body moving at speed V is P = F*V :smile:
 
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woaini said:
I don't think I'm suppose to use calculus to solve this problem.

However if W is equal to what is done by gravity and the formula for P=W/t, this is what I get:

P=\frac{W}{t} then t=\frac{m*g}{P} which equals P=\frac{2*9.81}{78W}=0.25s

Is this what you're trying to imply?

yes, but the work done by gravity is m*g*h. so your expression becomes

P=\frac{m*g*h}{t}

Here mg is the weight and h/t is the change in height with time, or simply your required velocity

woaini said:
Ok so this is the relationship I found:

P = \frac{E}{T} = \frac{0.5*m*v^2}{t}

However, I do not have the t variable.

So this is essentially what I can narrow the equation down to:

78W = \frac{0.5*2*v^2}{t} which equals to \frac{v^2}{t}=78

I am unsure what to do when I am that this step as the seconds in the time cannot cancel out with the speed.

The only energy change is gravitational potential, since Kinetic Energy is constant due to velocity being constant.

W = ΔE = m*g*h

woaini said:
Never mind, I think I understand it now.

With the equation P=\frac{E}{t} the units are essentially \frac{kg*m^2}{s^3}. This is equivalent to the product of F (N or \frac{kg*m}{s^2}) and speed (\frac{m}{s}). With this in my mind, the speed will be easy to determine as the force is known to be the product of mass and gravity.

Is there any flaw in this explanation?

no, not at all but it could lead to more confusion in other situations. Like gneill said and I showed it above

a very useful relationship is the fact that the power delivered by a force F to a body moving at speed V is P = F*V
 

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