Power of constant force for a given displacement

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The discussion centers on calculating the power developed by a constant force acting on an object moving from y = 0 to y = 1.5 meters, with a final velocity of 8 m/s. The participant initially used the formula P = Fv and later attempted to derive power using P = W/t, leading to confusion regarding instantaneous versus average power. The key conclusion is that for instantaneous power, the correct approach is to use P = dW/dt, rather than relying solely on final velocity.

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Homework Statement


An object is subject to a constant force of known magnitude, starting the motion from y = 0 , and with zero initial velocity. Calculate the power developed by the force during the motion of the object from y= 0 to y = 1.5, and at y=1.5m , v = 8 m/s.


Homework Equations


v^2 = 2 a y

v = a t

P = F v

P = \frac{W}{t}

The Attempt at a Solution


P = F v = F \sqrt{2ya}

but on the other hand
t = \frac{v}{a} = \frac{v}{v^2/2y} =\frac{2y}{v}

P =\frac{W}{t} =\frac{Fy}{t} = \frac{F}{2} v = \frac{F}{2} \sqrt{2ya}

So I tried working the problem out in two different ways, and I get a paradox:
F = \frac{F}{2}

I must have done something stupid like dividing by zero but I can't figure out really where I messed up.
 
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Your second approach is correct -- the issue with the first one is that the velocity isn't constant, so if you use the final velocity it doesn't take into account the earlier changes in velocity.
 
In the formula P = Fv, if you want to calculate the average power than you ought to use the average velocity. Did you?
 
Thank you for the replies.

I was trying to calculate the power at the end of the motion, y=1.5 m . At that instant I can calculate the power, since I care only for the final velocity, which I know, then P = F v.
The second approach P = W/t is valid in this case to calculate the instantenous power too right?

The average speed is

v_{avg} = \frac{y}{t}

t =\frac{v_{f}}{a}

y=\frac{v_{f}^2}{2a}

v_{avg} = \frac{v_{f}}{2}

v_{f}^2= 2ay (f for final)

So my first approach resulted in the instanteneous power at the end of the motion, while the second resulted in the average power during all of the motion.

I still have one question: The second approach P = W/t is valid in this case to calculate the instantenous power too?
 
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sunquick said:
Thank you for the replies.

I was trying to calculate the power at the end of the motion, y=1.5 m . At that instant I can calculate the power, since I care only for the final velocity, which I know, then P = F v.
The second approach P = W/t is valid in this case to calculate the instantenous power too right?

The average speed is

v_{avg} = \frac{y}{t}

t =\frac{v_{f}}{a}

y=\frac{v_{f}^2}{2a}

v_{avg} = \frac{v_{f}}{2}

v_{f}^2= 2ay (f for final)

So my first approach resulted in the instanteneous power at the end of the motion, while the second resulted in the average power during all of the motion.

I still have one question: The second approach P = W/t is valid in this case to calculate the instantenous power too?

No, if you want instantaneous power you have to use P = dW/dt
 

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