Power Required to Pump Air Underwater: Calculate & Analyze Metric Results

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The discussion revolves around calculating the theoretical power required to pump air underwater to a specified depth, focusing on metric measurements. Participants explore the implications of pressure, flow rate, and potential efficiency of pumping systems, particularly in the context of diving without external power sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a formula for the power required to pump air underwater, indicating their calculations seem too low.
  • Another participant suggests that the pumping pressure must exceed the water pressure at the desired depth, emphasizing the role of pressure and flow rate in determining power.
  • A formula for power is proposed: P = p \dot{V}, where P is power, p is pumping pressure, and \dot{V} is volumetric flow rate. This formula assumes isothermal compression and neglects losses.
  • A participant reflects on the feasibility of using exhaled air to assist in pumping new air underwater, considering the energy requirements and efficiency of such a system.
  • Initial estimations suggest that pumping air to a diver at a depth of 5 meters could require around 6.7 watts, raising questions about the practicality of this power requirement compared to human muscle power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying assumptions about the efficiency and practicality of pumping air underwater, with no consensus reached on the overall feasibility or exact power requirements.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about isothermal conditions, neglect of frictional effects, and the efficiency of real systems, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in diving, underwater engineering, or those exploring the physics of fluid dynamics and air compression.

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Would be grateful for a formula for the power required (theoretically) to move air down to a specified depth underwater. Metric if possible please.

My calculations seem an order of magnitude too low.
 
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The pressure of the air just needs to be higher than the pressure of the water at the desired depth. The power would be a combination of this pressure, and flow rate.
 
A rough first estimate can be had by using

P = p \dot{V}

where

P is the power in watts
p is the pumping pressure in Pa
\dot{V} is the volumetric flow rate in \displaystyle{\frac{m^3}{s}}

This assumes things like an isothermal compression and neglects frictional effects and other losses. Like I said, this is a first approximation.
 
Many thanks Jeff and Fred

I had previously assumed that the power to pump air to a diver, even in shallow water, would be far beyond what the diver could provide using his or her own muscle power alone. But I thought that if one could somehow part-use the energy in the exhaled air to help pumping down new air it might just be possible to dive without an external power source, using surface air tubes and some kind of double-action pump strapped onto the diver.

On initial estimation (given that 12 liters at the surface would become 8 liters at 5 meters depth), it appeared that to provide 8 liters per minute would require 98 x 5 / 60 or only about 8 watts. Intuitively this seemed an order of magnitude too low. But your formula seems to give a fairly similar result; 50,000Pa x 8/1000m³/60 or 6.7W (and checks quite closely with a mini air compressor for which I found figures).

If a real system were only 25% efficient it should be possible, even without energy reclamation (30-40 W for air and the rest for finning around) given that 0.1hp is supposedly a rate of work that a healthy person can sustain for several hours. See you in the sea?
 

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