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The discussion centers on the physics of a ball getting stuck in a chimney with two walls that decrease in width as they descend. The user struggles to compute the forces involved, particularly the normal force required to counteract gravity, which appears to approach infinity as the slope of the walls approaches zero. A key insight provided is that in a frictionless scenario, the ball would experience immense compressive forces, leading to it becoming stuck. The clarification emphasizes the role of friction in real-world scenarios, which acts tangentially to the wall rather than as a balanced normal force.

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Hi,

If we'll build a chimney from 2 walls with a decreasing width (meaning, the length between the walls gets smaller as we go down the chimney, since the walls both have a small slope), and then throw a ball down that chimney, it would get stuck.
I am having hard time computing the forces that cause this affect. in order to resist the gravity, it seams I need very strong normal force (going to infinity as the slope goes to 0).
but when I try to express mg by perpendicular and Tangent vectors, I receive values smaller then mg (and obviously not going to infinity).

can someone help?
thanks :-)
 
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sronen20 said:
Hi,

If we'll build a chimney from 2 walls with a decreasing width (meaning, the length between the walls gets smaller as we go down the chimney, since the walls both have a small slope), and then throw a ball down that chimney, it would get stuck.
I am having hard time computing the forces that cause this affect. in order to resist the gravity, it seams I need very strong normal force (going to infinity as the slope goes to 0).
but when I try to express mg by perpendicular and Tangent vectors, I receive values smaller then mg (and obviously not going to infinity).

can someone help?
thanks :-)

You are solving the problem without friction. In a real chimney, it would be friction acting tangentially to the wall, not a balanced force acting normal to the wall. Your answer is correct- a frictionless ball in a nearly parallel chimney would get stuck at a place with nearly infinite compressive forces on it.
 

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