Powers function n^5+n^4=(n^5−n^3)(n−1)−(n−2)

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical equations involving powers, specifically the identities and relationships expressed in the equations \(n^{5}+n^{4}=(n^{5}-n^{3})(n-1)-(n-2)\) and \(n^{4}+n^{3}=(n^{4}-n^{2})(\frac{n}{n-1})\). Participants explore the validity of these equations, their implications, and a philosophical inquiry into why certain numerical properties hold, particularly relating to the multiplication by 37.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the first equation by substituting \(n=1\) and finding it does not hold, suggesting the need for root-finding techniques for real values of \(n\).
  • Another participant provides a transformation of the second equation, showing it can be manipulated to reveal an identity under certain conditions, specifically \(n \ne 1\).
  • A different participant proposes an alternative form of the first equation, suggesting it might be intended as \(n^5 + n^4 = (n^5 - n^3) \left ( \frac{n - 1}{n - 2} \right )\), but notes this leads to no solutions for \(n\).
  • Participants discuss a numerical property involving three-digit numbers where the sum of the digits multiplied by 37 yields the original number, with examples provided to illustrate this phenomenon.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the hint about the multiplication of 3 and 37, seeking clarification on its relevance to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the equations presented. There are competing interpretations and transformations of the equations, and the philosophical inquiry into the numerical properties remains open-ended.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the equations may have restrictions on the values of \(n\), such as \(n \ne 1\), and that certain manipulations depend on assumptions about the domain of \(n\). The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationships between the equations and the numerical properties being explored.

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Hello again,i am back. So now i have diffrent questions while spending my time in powers for some reason that i can't explain...Anyways let's get to the point. these ones are really simular to the previous one.
n^{5}+n^{4}=(n^{5}-n^{3})*(n-1)-(n-2), n^{4}+n{3}=(n^{4}-n^{2}*(n/(n-1)). You can try to replace n by any number which is >0. And my question is:"WHY does this happen (i mean it goes a little bit into philosophical thinking rather than logical but i would like an explanation like why and 3 digit number that has the same number in every digit if you add it together and multiply the result by 37 it becomes the same number).(Whew) Also if you had the patience to read all of this and acctoully came up with an answer i want to say you are a legend (Yes)
 
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Hint: $ 3 \cdot 37 = 111 $
 
Let's look at your first equation:

$$n^5+n^4=\left(n^5-n^3\right)(n-1)-(n-2)$$

If we use $n=1$, we get:

$$2=1$$

So, it's not an identity...and we would have to use a root finding technique to get approximations for the real values of $n$ for which the equation is true:

$$n\approx0.88157969798488504310$$

$$n\approx2.6222866129011998799$$

Let's look at the second equation you gave (I assume it is the following):

$$n^4+n^3=\left(n^4-n^2\right)\left(\frac{n}{n-1}\right)$$

$$n^4+n^3=\frac{n^5-n^3}{n-1}$$

Since you stated $0<n$ we may divide through by $n^3$ to obtain:

$$n+1=\frac{n^2-1}{n-1}$$

Multiply through by $n-1$:

$$(n+1)(n-1)=n^2-1$$

So, given that this is an identity, you original equation is as well, with the additional restriction $n\ne1$. :)
 
Alternatively,

$$ \left( n^4 - n^2 \right) \left( \frac{n}{n - 1} \right), \, n \gt 0, \, n \ne 1 $$

$$ = \frac{ n^5 - n^3 }{ n - 1 } $$

$$ = \frac{ n^3(n^2 - 1) }{ n - 1 } $$

$$ = \frac{ n^3(n + 1)(n - 1) }{ n - 1} $$

$$ = n^3(n + 1) $$

$$ = n^4 + n^3 $$
 
Angel1 said:
[math]n^{5}+n^{4}=(n^{5}-n^{3})*(n-1)-(n-2)[/math]
I suspect that it is supposed to be
[math]n^5 + n^4 = (n^5 - n^3) \left ( \frac{n - 1}{n - 2} \right )[/math]

similar to the other one. However now we have no solutions for n, integer or otherwise.

-Dan

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greg1313 said:
Hint: $ 3 \cdot 37 = 111 $
Okay I'm officially clueless, a state which I have a lot of experience in. How is this a hint?

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Okay I'm officially clueless, a state which I have a lot of experience in. How is this a hint?

-Dan
The original question was ":"WHY does this happen (i mean it goes a little bit into philosophical thinking rather than logical but i would like an explanation like why and 3 digit number that has the same number in every digit if you add it together and multiply the result by 37 it becomes the same number)."
For example, if we add the digits in 555 we get 15 and 555/37= 15. If we add the digits in 888 we get 24 and 888/37= 24.

That is, "why, if we have something like aaa, where "a" is a single digit, if you add them, you get "3a", while if you divide by 37, you also get "3a"". And greg1313's response was that aaa= a(111)= a(3)(37).
 

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