Pre-Med Physics: Calc vs Non-Calc

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The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for a pre-med student choosing between a non-calculus-based physics course and a calculus-based physics course. The focus includes considerations of teaching quality, relevance to the MCAT, and implications for medical school applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests taking the calculus-based course if comfortable with math, arguing that it enhances understanding when the instructor uses calculus terminology.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of a good teacher, stating that a positive experience with the first physics teacher can significantly influence learning and perception of the subject.
  • A third participant concurs with the recommendation to choose the calculus-based course, noting that it may improve understanding and potentially aid in MCAT preparation, while also making the student more competitive for medical school.
  • There is a cautionary note regarding ensuring that the pre-med major accepts the calculus-based course, with a personal anecdote about a related experience in a different program.
  • One participant highlights that the non-calculus-based course may have specific requirements, such as a lab component, which could affect course selection based on program needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the benefits of taking the calculus-based course with a better teacher, provided the student is comfortable with calculus. However, there are differing opinions on the necessity of the calculus material for the MCAT and the importance of lab components in course selection.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying requirements for pre-med majors and the potential impact of course selection on medical school applications, indicating that individual circumstances may influence decisions.

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I'm a pre-med student currently registering for classes for the next semester and physics is next up for me on the requirements. I want some insight as to whether it's a good idea to take the non-calc, pre-med physics with a teacher they say is "eh", or to take the calc based, physics major course with a teacher who is supposedly great.

I will have finished calc II by the end of this semester and I like math, so the calc part is not a problem. I just want to know if it's worth it to learn the extra material which is unnecessary for the MCAT in order to have a better teacher.
 
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Take the calc-based if you're good with the math. I think it's easier to understand the material when the teacher can use the words "derivative" and "integral" instead of waving their hands and pulling formulae out of their rectal cavities.
 
It's worth it. If you know calculus, then go for the better teacher.

One's first physics teacher can make a huge impression on what they learn and how they view the subject, at least in my opinion.
 
I'll concur with the above two recommendations. If you have the grasp of calculus and think you can perform as well (or better because of the better professor) in the calc-based course, take the calc-based course. It will hopefully make your understanding better (which may in turn make problems easier on the MCAT... since that test apparently doesn't give you a formula sheet). In addition, it might make you stand out a bit among other med-school applicants.

Do, however, make sure that your "pre-med major" accepts the course. I make the above recommendation based on my sister's experience, before such majors existed. She majored in chemistry and biology, took the calculus-based physics sequence, and successfully applied for and completed an MD/PhD (which is a great financial route if you have the interest and ability).
 
physics girl phd said:
Do, however, make sure that your "pre-med major" accepts the course.

Great suggestion. When I took general physics 1 at the community college, the calc-based version was a non-lab class, and the non-calc one was a lab, so one particular certificate program required the non-calc class with the lab.
 

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