How often are summer internships awarded to pre-meds?

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The discussion revolves around the frequency and feasibility of summer research internships in physics for pre-med students at US universities. It explores the motivations of pre-med students in choosing physics as a major and the perceptions of faculty regarding their involvement in physics research programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that pre-meds tend to avoid physics departments, particularly in non-US contexts, due to a focus on grades for med school applications.
  • There is a belief that summer programs in physics prioritize producing physicists over MDs, which may influence the acceptance of pre-med students into these internships.
  • One participant argues that a physics major would be equally competitive for physics internships regardless of their future plans, unless they explicitly express disinterest in the field.
  • Another participant suggests that while physics departments may not favor pre-meds, biomedical research labs might be more open to working with them.
  • It is mentioned that some students choose physics as a pre-med major to pursue their passion or to leverage the rigor of the major for med school admissions, with the idea that research experience in hard sciences is valued by med schools.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the involvement of pre-meds in physics internships, with some asserting that pre-meds are generally not favored in physics departments, while others suggest that the competitive nature of internships is not affected by a student's future career intentions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the actual frequency of pre-meds obtaining these internships.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the varying motivations for majoring in physics among pre-meds and the potential biases of faculty in physics departments. There is also an acknowledgment of the different departmental cultures in biology and chemistry compared to physics.

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Suppose for a moment that, in an attempt to remain competitive for med school, some physics major goes about asking for a summer internship at his/her undergrad. (Said physics major declared that major because the student wanted to do what s/he loved)

How often are summer research internships in physics awarded to pre-meds, in US schools?

My own undergraduate physics dept (a non-US one) is avoided by pre-meds entirely, and even if there were some pre-meds majoring in physics (in my home country, one's sole motivation to major in physics as a pre-med would be to take advantage of the greater difficulty), they just wouldn't even try to get one, since grades are everything to get interviewed for med school. But perhaps I would have to deal with such premeds at schools like Minnesota...
 
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Catria said:
Suppose for a moment that, in an attempt to remain competitive for med school, some physics major goes about asking for a summer internship at his/her undergrad. (Said physics major declared that major because the student wanted to do what s/he loved)

How often are summer research internships in physics awarded to pre-meds, in US schools?

My own undergraduate physics dept (a non-US one) is avoided by pre-meds entirely, and even if there were some pre-meds majoring in physics (in my home country, one's sole motivation to major in physics as a pre-med would be to take advantage of the greater difficulty), they just wouldn't even try to get one, since grades are everything to get interviewed for med school. But perhaps I would have to deal with such premeds at schools like Minnesota...

There is definitely a desire by people managing the summer programs in Physics to help prepare the next generation of physicists for life as a physicist. If the summer program has funding from a US government agency, I believe that this is a priority to them. Basically, if they "produce" a bunch of physicists, the outcome would probably considered better than if they produced a bunch of MDs. I suspect the professors working with the students would prefer to work with physicists, as well. [Feynman was adamant about only wanting to talk to physicis majors when he visited my little college outside of LA.]

I think in the US, pre-meds are found mostly in Biology and sometimes Chemistry departments.
 
If you are physics major than you are going to be just as competative for physics internships as other physics majors. What you plan on doing afterwards is gong to have little bearing on whether on not your are awarded the position - unless of course, you state on your application something along the lines of "I have no interest in learning anythning from this position."
 
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There is definitely a desire by people managing the summer programs in Physics to help prepare the next generation of physicists for life as a physicist. If the summer program has funding from a US government agency, I believe that this is a priority to them. Basically, if they "produce" a bunch of physicists, the outcome would probably considered better than if they produced a bunch of MDs. I suspect the professors working with the students would prefer to work with physicists, as well. [Feynman was adamant about only wanting to talk to physicis majors when he visited my little college outside of LA.]

I think in the US, pre-meds are found mostly in Biology and sometimes Chemistry departments.

Biology, chemistry, biochemistry depts also run such summer programs to help prepare the next generation of biologists, chemists and biochemists for life as a scientist. For them, too, the outcome will probably be considered better if they "produce" a bunch of scientists rather than a bunch of MDs/DMDs.

Perhaps there are biomedical research labs that would more readily work with pre-meds than the average physics professor (I wonder how many premeds will be capable to fake enthusiasm for a career in physics).

The professor that last reviewed my personal statement, who earned his PhD at Minnesota, claimed that some students will use physics as a pre-med major anyway because they use college as an occasion to do what they love (or they otherwise see the rigor of a physics major as an asset for med school admissions or once in med school), and that, to the eyes of med schools, research is research, as long as it is in a hard science.
 
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