Community College College Calulus 1&2 vs. AP CALC BC

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision of whether to take AP Calculus BC or community college courses in Calculus I and II. Participants explore the implications of each option for college credit, preparation, and overall learning experience.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that taking the AP class may enhance college applications, while others question the value of AP courses compared to community college courses.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of taking the AP test to receive college credit for the AP class, whereas community college courses may transfer more reliably.
  • Concerns are raised about the depth of learning in both AP and community college courses, with some arguing that neither option may provide a comprehensive understanding of calculus without additional self-study.
  • Some participants note that the reputation of the college one plans to attend may influence the perceived value of either option, particularly for prestigious institutions.
  • There is mention of variability in the quality of community college classes and high school AP classes, suggesting that local circumstances should be considered in the decision-making process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the merits of AP Calculus versus community college courses, with no consensus reached on which option is superior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path for learning calculus effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of checking transferability of community college courses and the varying standards of AP classes, indicating that local educational contexts may significantly impact the decision.

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As a sophomore, I am deciding whether to jump into AP CALC BC or the college credit plus program; CALC I&II. Now this summer, I am taking honors pre-CALC at the same community college so I hope I will be prepared. Should I take the AP class because it looks good on an application or community college courses?!? (Also wondering if the new AP seminar and research are worth the degree)
 
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McWonald said:
As a sophomore, I am deciding whether to jump into AP CALC BC or the college credit plus program; CALC I&II. Now this summer, I am taking honors pre-CALC at the same community college so I hope I will be prepared. Should I take the AP class because it looks good on an application or community college courses?!? (Also wondering if the new AP seminar and research are worth the degree)
More algebra, and at least one Trigonometry course, first. "AP" might or might not mean "Advanced Placement" where you are. I would say, do whichever course is more thorough, AS LONG AS your prerequisite knowledge is strong enough.
 
McWonald said:
Should I take the AP class because it looks good on an application or community college courses?
If you take the AP class, you'll have to take the AP test to get college credit. If you take the CC course, it should transfer. (Or is there something weird about the college credit plus program, whatever that is?)
 
vela said:
If you take the AP class, you'll have to take the AP test to get college credit.

And some colleges don't give credit for AP courses, or so I've heard.
 
McWonald said:
As a sophomore, I am deciding whether to jump into AP CALC BC or the college credit plus program; CALC I&II. Now this summer, I am taking honors pre-CALC at the same community college so I hope I will be prepared. Should I take the AP class because it looks good on an application or community college courses?!? (Also wondering if the new AP seminar and research are worth the degree)

You don't make it clear what you're after. If you want to learn calculus well, neither will do the job alone. You'll have to do a bunch of study on your own to supplement what they teach you. Both the AP curriculum and community colleges tend to teach lots of technique and little theory, pretty much no proofs, so for a math major they aren't much good.

If you want college credit or placement (different things), it depends where you figure you'll go for your undergraduate degree. If it's a place like MIT or Caltech they'll just laugh at your CC class and tell you to take their real calculus class. Same for the AP class/test. However the AP class, if you get a 5 on the AP test, there is often a formal mechanism for getting placement or credit at many colleges. Check their web sites. For placement, many have tests you can take.

If you want your fellow students to be good, then a high school AP class often has better students than a CC class. That will be important for the level the class is taught at.

And, of course, your own situation may be different. Some CCs have better classes, or particularly good professors. Some high schools have awesome teachers who can help you go as far as you're willing to go. Research your local situation to see.
 
Check that the CC classes transfer, and then take them if they do.
 
IGU said:
You don't make it clear what you're after. If you want to learn calculus well, neither will do the job alone. You'll have to do a bunch of study on your own to supplement what they teach you. Both the AP curriculum and community colleges tend to teach lots of technique and little theory, pretty much no proofs, so for a math major they aren't much good.

If you want college credit or placement (different things), it depends where you figure you'll go for your undergraduate degree. If it's a place like MIT or Caltech they'll just laugh at your CC class and tell you to take their real calculus class. Same for the AP class/test. However the AP class, if you get a 5 on the AP test, there is often a formal mechanism for getting placement or credit at many colleges. Check their web sites. For placement, many have tests you can take.

If you want your fellow students to be good, then a high school AP class often has better students than a CC class. That will be important for the level the class is taught at.

And, of course, your own situation may be different. Some CCs have better classes, or particularly good professors. Some high schools have awesome teachers who can help you go as far as you're willing to go. Research your local situation to see.

Thanks! I appreciate the help!
 

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