Is Precalculus Necessary for Success in Calculus 1?

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The discussion centers around the necessity of precalculus as a prerequisite for success in Calculus 1. Participants explore the relevance of precalculus topics compared to those covered in algebra and geometry courses, and whether the content of precalculus provides essential preparation for calculus concepts.

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  • Some participants argue that algebra 1, algebra 2, geometry, and trigonometry are sufficient for success in Calculus 1, suggesting that precalculus may not be necessary.
  • Others contend that precalculus covers key concepts, such as limits and a deeper understanding of functions, which can aid in preparing for calculus.
  • One participant reflects on their experience, noting that while precalculus includes topics not found in college algebra, they believe the foundational courses are adequate for calculus.
  • Another participant shares their experience of taking both precalculus and an analytic trigonometry course, indicating that the additional preparation from precalculus was beneficial.
  • There is mention of specific topics, such as polar equations and mathematical induction, that some participants feel are not adequately covered in precalculus courses.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of precalculus for success in Calculus 1. While some believe it is not essential, others argue that it provides valuable preparation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants note variations in precalculus content and teaching methods, indicating that experiences may differ based on individual educational backgrounds and curricula.

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Algebra 2, intermediate algebra and college algebra cover most of the topics taught in precalculus. Taking geometry and then trigonometry prepares anyone for calculus 1. So, is precalculus really needed as a prerequisite for calculus 1?
 
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In the US curriculum, pre-calculus is a little bit vague in its goals but from my experience there are some key ideas that are covered that are beyond normal algebra classes and do help one prepare for calculus. An example of this would be limits and more in depth coverage of functions. Some of it overlaps algebra, but it's a good refresher and not wasted in my opinion. If you are finding yourself bored with precalc then I suggest trying to get a head start on calculus for next year. There will be a ton of new concepts and familiarizing yourself with them now will pay off. :) Just my two cents.
 
1. I am 52 years old.

2. I am not a classroom student. My student days ended in 1993.

3. I got an A minus in precalculus at Lehman College in 1993 as an elective course.

4. There are a few topics in precalculus not found in college algebra textbooks. However, I feel that taking algebra 1, algebra 2, geometry and trigonometry is enough to succeed in calculus 1. All calculus 1 courses begin with limits anyway or so I was told.

5. Going through the CONTENT of my David Cohen precalculus textbook, I see lots of interesting topics never taught in an actual precalculus course. For example, when I took precalculus in 1993, the professor never taught polar equations, polar graphs, polar coordinates, math induction, matrices, Cramer's Rule, etc.
 
RTCNTC said:
1. I am 52 years old.

Hello, youngster. I'm 53. (Giggle)

RTCNTC said:
2. I am not a classroom student. My student days ended in 1993.

I took Pre-Calc in the fall of 1991. At that time the school was transitioning from teaching an analytic trig. course in between Calc I and II to teaching trig. as part of Pre-Calc prior to Calc I. I was fortunate enough to take both, as my College Algebra professor got a waiver for me to take the analytic trig. course during the summer, in between College Algebra and Pre-Calc. I felt a little intimidated being the only one in that class who had not taken Calc I, but I did fine.

RTCNTC said:
4. There are a few topics in precalculus not found in college algebra textbooks. However, I feel that taking algebra 1, algebra 2, geometry and trigonometry is enough to succeed in calculus 1. All calculus 1 courses begin with limits anyway or so I was told.

Yes, a student taking those course should be able to succeed in calculus, but the extra prep provided by a Pre-Calc course doesn't hurt.

RTCNTC said:
5. Going through the CONTENT of my David Cohen precalculus textbook, I see lots of interesting topics never taught in an actual precalculus course. For example, when I took precalculus in 1993, the professor never taught polar equations, polar graphs, polar coordinates, math induction, matrices, Cramer's Rule, etc.

We were taught all of those when I took Pre-Calc. :D I really got into mathematical induction too...it's a very powerful method.
 
MarkFL said:
Hello, youngster. I'm 53. (Giggle)
I took Pre-Calc in the fall of 1991. At that time the school was transitioning from teaching an analytic trig. course in between Calc I and II to teaching trig. as part of Pre-Calc prior to Calc I. I was fortunate enough to take both, as my College Algebra professor got a waiver for me to take the analytic trig. course during the summer, in between College Algebra and Pre-Calc. I felt a little intimidated being the only one in that class who had not taken Calc I, but I did fine.
Yes, a student taking those course should be able to succeed in calculus, but the extra prep provided by a Pre-Calc course doesn't hurt.
We were taught all of those when I took Pre-Calc. :D I really got into mathematical induction too...it's a very powerful method.

I will need your guidance in terms of math induction when I get there in my precalculus review trek.
 

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