Precipitation of lead hydroxide in the presence of EDTA

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the precipitation of lead hydroxide in the presence of EDTA, specifically examining whether lead will precipitate as Pb(OH)2 when lead nitrate is added to a buffered solution containing EDTA. The context includes chemical equilibrium, complex formation, and solubility product constants.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation showing that lead will not precipitate if the concentration of Pb2+ after reaction with EDTA is zero, suggesting that all lead is complexed.
  • Another participant challenges this conclusion, indicating that the approximations used may not accurately reflect the actual concentration of Pb2+ and suggests recalculating using the equilibrium constant.
  • A different participant proposes using the reverse reaction's equilibrium constant to find the concentration of lead after the reaction, leading to a calculated concentration of Pb2+ that is extremely low.
  • Some participants argue against the use of Hess's law in this context, stating that it is unrelated to the problem at hand.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of approximations in equilibrium calculations, suggesting that small changes can often be ignored if they are less than 5% of the larger value.
  • Another participant reiterates the calculation of Pb2+ concentration using the equilibrium expression, confirming the low concentration found previously.
  • One participant notes that enthalpy alone is insufficient to describe the reaction dynamics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the assumptions made about the concentration of Pb2+ and the applicability of Hess's law. There is no consensus on whether lead will precipitate as Pb(OH)2, as differing calculations and interpretations of the equilibrium constants lead to varying conclusions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in approximations, dependence on the assumptions about complete reaction and complex formation, and unresolved steps in the calculations regarding the equilibrium concentrations.

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Homework Statement



1. The question

EthyleneDiamineTetra-acetate(##EDTA^{4-}##) is used in chemical analysis as a complex-former. ##EDTA^{4-}## is also used to treat heavy metal poisoning, as it forms water soluble complexes with them which can then be easily removed by the body. The reaction of ##EDTA^{4-}## with lead is:
$$Pb^{2+}(aq) + EDTA^{4-}(aq) \rightleftharpoons PbEDTA^{2-}(aq), K = 1.1 \times 10^{18}$$

0.010 mol of ##Pb(NO_3)_2##-solution is added to 1 liter ##(dm^3)## of buffered water solution (pH = 13), whose ##Na_4 EDTA## concentration is 0.050M. Does the added lead precipitate in the form of ##Pb(OH)_2##-salt?

\begin{array}{|l|c|}
Some \ values\\ \hline
K_s(Pb(OH)_2) & 1.2 \times 10^{-15}\\
K & 1.1\times 10^{18}\\
n_0 (Pb(NO_3)_2) & 0.010 mol\\
[Na_4 (EDTA)]_0 & 0.050M\\
pH & 13
\end{array}

Homework Equations



If our chemical reaction is
$$aA + bB \rightleftharpoons cC + dD $$
then our equilibrium constant
$$K = \frac{[A]^a [ B ]^b}{[C]^c[D]^d} $$
The solubility constant would be
$$K_s = [ C ]^c [D]^d$$
since the activity ##a_s## of the pure solid on the left side of the reaction equation is 1.

The Attempt at a Solution



I managed to solve this, I just need a second opinion on whether my solution is correct.

The lead is going to precipitate if the reaction quotient
$$Q > K_s$$
To see if this holds, I need to find out the concentration of lead in the solution. I'm going to assume that the added ##Pb(NO_3)_2## dissolves completely and then reacts with the ##EDTA^{4-}##, before the remaining lead from this reaction then reacts with the ##OH^-##-ions. Below is a table of the first reaction.
\begin{array}{|l|c|}
concentration & Pb^{2+} & EDTA^{4-} & PbEDTA^{2-}\\ \hline
beginning & 0.01 & 0.05 & 0\\
end & 0.01-x & 0.05-x & x
\end{array}
We can then solve for ##x## using ##K##:
\begin{align*}
K
&= \frac{x}{(0.01-x)(0.05-x)}\\
\iff\\
&(0.01-x)(0.05-x)K = x\\
\iff\\
&\frac{1}{2000}K-0.06Kx + Kx^2 = x\\
\iff\\
& Kx^2 -(0.06K+1)x + \frac{1}{2000}K = 0
\end{align*}
Solving for ##x##:
\begin{align*}
x
&= \frac{(0.06K+1) \pm \sqrt{(0.06K+1)^2 - 4K\times \frac{K}{2000}})}{2K}\\
&=
\begin{cases}
1/20\\
1/100
\end{cases}
\end{align*}
Now ##1/20 = 0.05## won't do, since ##(0.01-x)## would be negative. Plugging in ##x = 0.01## gives us the concentration of lead after the reaction which is ##[Pb]_1 = (0.01 - 0.01) = 0##. Therefore at these concentrations there is no lead left over to react with the ##OH^-##-ions, and there can be no precipitate.

This is a desirable result, considering the use of EDTA in medicine, but this seems too easy. I must be missing something or making wrong assumptions.
 
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No, concentration of Pb2+ is not zero. Both 1/20 and 1/100 are only approximations. What they do tell you though is that the Pb2+ is complexed almost entirely, with concentration of the complexed form equal - for all practical purposes - 0.01 M. Plug this number (together with the concentration of the free EDTA4- left after the reaction) into the K equation and calculate equilibrium concentration of the Pb2+.
 
If I understood you correctly, I'm supposed to invoke Hess's law, meaning one can assume all of the lead reacts with EDTA and then the reverse reaction happens, but then instead of using
$$K = \frac{[PbEDTA^{2-}]}{[Pb^{2+}][EDTA^{4-}]},$$
I should use the equilibrium constant of the opposite reaction
$$K_o = \frac{[Pb^{2+}][EDTA^{4-}]}{[PbEDTA^{2-}]} = \frac{1}{K}.$$
Then if ##y## is the concentration of lead after the reaction,
\begin{array}{|l|c|}
\hline
concentration & [PbEDTA^{2-}] & [Pb^{2+}] & [EDTA^{4-}] \\ \hline
beginning & 0.01 & 0 & 0.04\\
end & 0.01 - y & y & 0.04 + y\\
\hline
\end{array}
Then
\begin{align*}
K_o
&= \frac{1}{K} = \frac{(y) (0.04 + y)}{0.01 - y}\\
\iff\\
& 0.01 - y = (y)(0.04 + y)K\\
\iff\\
& 0.01 - y = 0.04Ky + Ky^2\\
\iff\\
& Ky^2 + (0.04K + 1)y - 0.01 = 0
\end{align*}
Solving for y
\begin{align*}
y
&= \frac{-(0.04K + 1) \pm \sqrt{(0.04K + 1)^2 - 4K \times 0.01}}{2K}\\
&=
\begin{cases}
0\\
\frac{-1}{25}
\end{cases}
\end{align*}
Again, ##\frac{-1}{25}## obviously won't do, so the concentration of lead after the reverse reaction is 0. Unless I plugged something in incorrectly, I still don't get any lead.

Ninja edit: I let Wolfram Alpha do the math, and instead of doing what my cheap-o pocket calculator did (rounding to zero), it produced ##y = 2.27273 \times 10^{-19}##.

This allows us to calculate the value of the reaction quotient $$Q = [Pb^{2+}] [OH^{-}]^2$$
Here $$[OH^{-}] = 10^{-1},$$
since
$$pH + pOH = 14 \iff pOH = 14 - pH = 1$$
and
$$pOH = -lg[OH^{-}]$$
Now
\begin{align*}
Q
&= [Pb^{2+}] [OH^{-}]^2\\
&= (2.27273 \times 10^{-19})(10^{-1})^2\\
&= 2.27273 \times 10^{-21},\\
\end{align*}
meaning ##Q<<K_s## and the lead won't precipitate.

EDIT2: I got my ##K## wrong in the OP, it seems (reversed order of products and reactants). I blame trying to type in ##LaTeX##.
 
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No idea why you invoke the Hess's law, it is completely unrelated.

No need for ICE table here, nor most of the things you did. You have correctly stated that

K = \frac{[PbEDTA^{2-}]}{[Pb^{2+}][EDTA^{4-}]}

Just solve for [Pb2+] and plug in concentrations of PbEDTA2- as 0.01 M and concentration of EDTA4- as 0.04 M. This is not exact, but good enough. 0.01-2.3×10-19 is close enough to 0.01 that the exact number doesn't matter. Tr to do the calculations the way I told you and you will see for yourself.

This kind of approximation is often a must when dealing with equilibrium calculations, as a rule of thumb if you add or subtract two numbers and one is smaller than 5% of the other, you can ignore it and see if the results make sense. That is 1+0.05≈1-0.05≈1.
 
Borek said:
No idea why you invoke the Hess's law, it is completely unrelated.

No need for ICE table here, nor most of the things you did. You have correctly stated that

K = \frac{[PbEDTA^{2-}]}{[Pb^{2+}][EDTA^{4-}]}

Just solve for [Pb2+] and plug in concentrations of PbEDTA2- as 0.01 M and concentration of EDTA4- as 0.04 M. This is not exact, but good enough. 0.01-2.3×10-19 is close enough to 0.01 that the exact number doesn't matter. Tr to do the calculations the way I told you and you will see for yourself.

This kind of approximation is often a must when dealing with equilibrium calculations, as a rule of thumb if you add or subtract two numbers and one is smaller than 5% of the other, you can ignore it and see if the results make sense. That is 1+0.05≈1-0.05≈1.

Ok, so
\begin{align*}
[Pb^{2+}]
&= \frac{[PbEDTA^{2-}]}{K[EDTA^{4-}]}\\
&= \frac{0.01}{(1.1 \times 10^{18})(0.04)}\\
&= 2.\overline{27} \times 10^{-19}\\
&\approx 2.27 \times 10^{-19}
\end{align*}
Yeah, the exact same result.

As for Hess's law, I was under the impression, that the reason we can make the assumption that the first reaction goes to completion and then returns to the wanted state while still producing the desired value is because enthalpy is a state function.
 
Enthalpy is not enough to describe the reaction.
 

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