Predict Clear Skies: Easy Ways to Forecast Stargazing Nights

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The discussion revolves around methods for predicting clear skies suitable for stargazing, focusing on observational techniques during the day and the influence of weather conditions. Participants explore various approaches, including reliance on technology and personal experience with local weather patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while a very cloudy or rainy day typically indicates poor stargazing conditions at night, the relationship between daytime weather and nighttime clarity is not always straightforward.
  • Another participant argues that checking weather forecasts via TV or online is more reliable than using observational rules of thumb.
  • One contributor emphasizes the importance of defining observing goals and gaining experience with local weather conditions, noting that clear nights after cold fronts may not be ideal for all types of stargazing.
  • Several participants recommend specific resources, such as the clear sky clock and aviation weather forecasts, for more accurate predictions.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the underlying conditions that affect weather and stargazing, indicating a desire for a deeper understanding of the processes involved.
  • Another participant provides a technical explanation of weather phenomena, including the roles of air pressure, thermodynamics, and atmospheric models in predicting weather, while acknowledging the limitations of forecasts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for predicting clear skies, with some advocating for personal experience and observational techniques, while others prefer relying on technological resources and forecasts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of different approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the variability in weather prediction accuracy, noting that while modern models can provide useful forecasts, they are not infallible, particularly over longer time frames.

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Is there an easy way to predict if the night sky will be clear by using observations during the day? Obviously a very cloudy, rainy day will lead to a similar situation at night, unsuitable for stargazing. But it's not always so obvious. During the day, the sky can be filled with clouds one moment and be completely clear the next. Can weather be used as an indicator here? For example, if it's very hot are clear skies more or less likely? I'm ignoring the usual pollution for simplicity.
 
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The best way is to check the weather on TV or through the web. They can do better than rules of thumb.
 
Clarity vs steadiness

It is handy to consult the weather channel, your local forcasts, etc, but in terms of usefulness, you need to define your observing goals, and develop some experience with your local conditions.

You may find that the very clear nights that occur shortly after a cold front has passed yield very "twinkly" skys that are best used to try to glimpse very dim but diffuse objects. If you want to see very small planetary details, etc, you will often be better off choosing a night between frontal systems when the air is steady, although sometimes not as clear.

Good luck!
 
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Even better, use the clear sky clock. It's fairly accurate. You might also want to consider using aviation weather forecasts, which are more precise and more frequently updated.

http://cleardarksky.com/csk/

- Warren
 
Of course I could just check for a weather update or look at some of the other resources provided. But I'm also curious as to what conditions are usually involved in the process.
 
Weather is caused by differences in air pressure and the thermodynamics of the water vapor/liquid/ice in the atmosphere. A uniform force, the coriolis force acts to trun differences in pressure into basically circular wind patterns.

When water droplets evaporate they cool their surroundings; cool air tends to sink. When water vapor condenses into droplets it warms its surroundings; warm air tends to rise. Large scale air masses meet at near singularities called fronts; fronts can travel over long distances changing shape and intensity as they go. Fronts lift the air ahead of them and cause cooling and condensation which causes heating and rising which makes layers of clouds. Most of our weather comes from these facts.

Modern computerized atmospheric models can do tonight's weather pretty well. For three or four days they are useful but a long way from perfect. The usual weekly forecast is about 50-50 right.
 

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