Predicting angle of deflection of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the angle of deflection of light as it approaches a massive body, specifically in the context of general relativity. Participants explore the meaning of specific terms in the equations and the derivation of the angle of deflection, including the significance of "1.7 seconds of arc."

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "1.7 seconds of arc" and its role in the equation for light deflection.
  • Another participant explains that small angles are measured in minutes and seconds of arc, providing a conversion for degrees.
  • There is a discussion about the different equations that can be used to derive the angle of deflection, with uncertainty about which specific equations are being referenced.
  • A formula for the angle of deflection is presented: θ = 4GM/(rc²), with an explanation of the variables involved.
  • Participants discuss how to convert the result from radians to seconds of arc, specifically in the context of light passing near the Sun.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the equations and concepts involved. There is no consensus on a single derivation or interpretation of the angle of deflection, indicating multiple competing views and ongoing clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different methods to derive the angle of deflection and the importance of specific variables, but do not resolve which method is preferred or most accurate. The discussion reflects a range of familiarity with general relativity and its equations.

William Henley
Hello,
I was recently reading relativity the general and special theory by Albert Einstein. When I came across the equation to calculate the angle of deflection for light as it approaches a massive body. I was just wondering if someone could explain why this works and also what "1.7 seconds of arc" means, as it is part of the equation.
 
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William Henley said:
I was just wondering if someone could explain why this works
The theory was made to match observations. What exactly do you mean with "this"?

Small angles are described with minutes and seconds of arc. 1 degree = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds.
 
mfb said:
The theory was made to match observations. What exactly do you mean with "this"?

Small angles are described with minutes and seconds of arc. 1 degree = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds.
Oh what I mean is what do the parts of the equation mean.
 
mfb said:
Small angles are described with minutes and seconds of arc. 1 degree = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds.
Oh yeah thanks, so is this what used to predict the angle of deflection?
 
William Henley said:
Oh what I mean is what do the parts of the equation mean.
That depends on the equations, there are different ways to derive that result and I don't know which set of equations you are looking at. I also don't know how much you know about general relativity.
William Henley said:
Oh yeah thanks, so is this what used to predict the angle of deflection?
This is used to quote the result. It is just a unit, like meters for length, seconds for time or degrees for angles.
Instead of 1.7 seconds of arc, you can also say "an angle of 1.7/3600 degrees".
 
mfb said:
That depends on the equations, there are different ways to derive that result and I don't know which set of equations you are looking at. I also don't know how much you know about general relativity.
This is used to quote the result. It is just a unit, like meters for length, seconds for time or degrees for angles.
Instead of 1.7 seconds of arc, you can also say "an angle of 1.7/3600 degrees".
I'm talking about a=1.7 seconds of arc over delta
 
William Henley said:
I'm talking about a=1.7 seconds of arc over delta

The formula you are talking about comes from the formula

\theta = \frac{4GM}{rc^2}

Where r is the distance from The center of M that the light passes. The answer will be in radians

Basically if you use the mass of the Sun for M, set delta equal to 1 solar radius for r, and convert it to give an answer in second of arc rather than radians, you get

\theta = \frac{1.7}{\Delta} seconds of arc.

For the angle of deflection of light passing at a distance of delta from the center of the Sun where delta is measured in sun radii.
 
Janus said:
The formula you are talking about comes from the formula

\theta = \frac{4GM}{rc^2}

Where r is the distance from The center of M that the light passes. The answer will be in radians

Basically if you use the mass of the Sun for M, set delta equal to 1 solar radius for r, and convert it to give an answer in second of arc rather than radians, you get

\theta = \frac{1.7}{\Delta} seconds of arc.

For the angle of deflection of light passing at a distance of delta from the center of the Sun where delta is measured in sun radii.
Ok yeah that makes sense, thanks for the answer.
 

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