Prediction of pair production via WIMP decay? (Layman question)

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The discussion revolves around the prediction of pair production via the decay of Weakly Interacting Massive Particles (WIMPs). Participants explore the theoretical aspects of WIMP interactions, their potential decay processes, and implications for dark matter detection. The conversation includes both conceptual and technical elements related to particle physics and the standard model.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that WIMPs are hypothetical and typically assumed to interact via gravitation and the weak force.
  • There is a suggestion that WIMPs could annihilate to produce neutrino-antineutrino pairs, which may serve as a detection method.
  • One participant questions the possibility of calculating the characteristics or distribution of WIMPs if they decay, emphasizing that if they decay, it must be at an extremely slow rate to account for their current presence.
  • It is mentioned that WIMPs are generally assumed to be stable and potentially their own anti-particles, allowing for annihilation into various final states, including high-energy photons and electron-positron pairs.
  • Participants discuss the challenge of detecting WIMPs in experiments despite their weak interactions and significant mass, raising questions about their decay mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the properties and interactions of WIMPs, with no consensus on their decay mechanisms or detection methods. Multiple competing views on the nature of WIMPs and their interactions remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of WIMPs, including assumptions about their stability, interactions, and the implications of their mass on experimental detection. There are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of their decay processes and the theoretical frameworks that govern them.

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Hello,

This may sound silly, don't be afraid to let me know just how silly though!

I've read that predictions are made using the standard model. I do not know the details of this process. I understand pair production occurs randomly in a vacuum, but I wondered if there was an underlying reason aside from a vacuum potential.

Anyway, would there be a way to calculate characteristics/distribution of WIMPs (if they exist) assuming they decay in some way? I know WIMPs aren't supposed to interact electromagnetically, but could they still weakly?
 
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feathermoon, WIMPs are hypothetical, as are many of their properties. Typically they are assumed to interact with each other via gravitation and the weak force. The belief is that two WIMPs can annihilate to produce a neutrino-antineutrino pair, which is one way of detecting their presence.
 
feathermoon said:
Anyway, would there be a way to calculate characteristics/distribution of WIMPs (if they exist) assuming they decay in some way? I know WIMPs aren't supposed to interact electromagnetically, but could they still weakly?

Well, if they decay it has to be extremely slowly, otherwise they would all be gone by now. Generally they are assumed to be stable. As Bill_K says they are also generally assumed to be their own anti-particle (at least they are in a number of popular models), so they can collide with each other and annihilate into things. Neutrinos are just one possibility though, they can usually annihilate into all sorts of things. High energy photons and electron-positron pairs are common final states, and there are numerous experiments currently looking for dark matter indirectly by looking for otherwise unexplainable excesses of gamma rays and/or positrons coming from somewhere, typically the galactic centre
(where the dark matter halo should be densest).
 
Never be afraid nor ashamed to think 'silly' as silly is good (Paul Dirac predicted the existence of antimatter by considering the the silly solution to his equation which is the basis of quantum electro dynamics (QED) – Carl Anderson found the the anti electron the same year) – OK Dirac did get some of the basics wrong he hoped it was the proton.

You ask about WIMPS

The clue is in the name. WI – weakly interacting MP – massive particles

If they exist then they will be beyond the standard model

The problem is. If they interchange via the weak force why do we not see them in experiments

Or do they decay in other way and if they have so much mass why don't t see it

Hope this helps



Sam
 

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