Preparing for University: Advice & Tips

  • Context: Schools 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Chewy0087
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Preparation University
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around preparing for university-level physics, particularly focusing on the feasibility and utility of learning Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics before starting university courses. Participants share advice on mathematical preparation, especially in calculus, and discuss the relevance of various mathematical topics to physics studies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in learning Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, questioning its feasibility given their current mathematical background.
  • Another participant suggests that the Lagrangian formulation could be useful for checking answers during exams, but cautions that it may not be commonly used in practice.
  • A different viewpoint argues against the utility of Lagrangian mechanics for exam preparation, emphasizing the importance of mastering calculus instead.
  • Several participants recommend focusing on all aspects of calculus, stating that a comprehensive understanding is necessary for success in physics.
  • One participant inquires about which specific parts of calculus to prioritize, seeking guidance on the most relevant topics.
  • Another participant asserts that doing all calculus problems will lead to effective learning and preparation.
  • There is a discussion about the participant's current knowledge of calculus, with some suggesting that their background is sufficient to begin exploring Lagrangian mechanics.
  • A suggestion is made to also focus on linear algebra, complex numbers, and differential equations as important mathematical tools for physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of mastering calculus and suggest that it should be the primary focus. However, there is disagreement regarding the value of learning Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics at this stage, with differing opinions on its practicality and relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their mathematical backgrounds and the applicability of advanced mechanics topics. There is no consensus on the necessity of learning Lagrangian mechanics prior to a formal course.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for university physics who are interested in understanding the mathematical foundations necessary for advanced topics in mechanics.

Chewy0087
Messages
368
Reaction score
0
Hey there again,

I'm looking for some advice on preparing for university, I've applied and luckily received offers, and the current work we're doing in school is very manageable so I intend to look further ahead,

so my question is, what can I do to prepare best for university?

Perhaps more specifically, having looked at a bit of Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics (i understand it's extremely useful and an important topic), would that be understandable/a feasible thing to attempt to learn this year? I'm currently taking Physics, maths & further maths but I have no illusions that much of the later on mathematics or even intermediate/beginning mathematics will be unrecognisable.

Also would learning Lagrangian mechanics be terribly helpful or do you think there's any other topics i'd do well to spend extra time on before beginning? before you do ask I've looked at the syllabus of the universities in question and no-where can I see a specific mention to Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics however there are mentions to "Classical Mechanics", with little extra information...

Thank you
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Its been a while since I took intro physics so take this with a grain of salt. But especially for exam taking the lagrange formulation could provide a very powerful way to quickly check your answers.
 
take the above advice with a huge grain of salt. no one ever checks there work on exams using lagrangian or hamiltonian formalisms.

learn lots of math. find which calculus book is used at the university you'll be attending and do every problem.
 
Yea just learn calculus if you haven't beaten that to death. Don't try to get ahead of yourself it doesn't work.
 
Last edited:
Hmmm, what parts of calculus should I focus on? Or everything?

Are there bits of calculus that i would be using more than others?
 
You will need every bit of it at some point, you can't really get away with skipping anything. Like ice said, get a book and do every problem. If you do that you will be way ahead of most of your classmates. Not just in calculus knowledge but in mathematical maturity, discipline and studying skills.
 
everything. do it all.

if you just do every problem the learning will take care of itself.
 
Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics before knowing calculus..? How much Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics do you actually know
 
wisvuze said:
Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics before knowing calculus..? How much Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics do you actually know

I know absolutely nothing in regard to Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics I'm afraid

In terms of calculus we've covered the basics to quite a good degree;
Simple differentiation, implicit differentiation
Integration by; parts, substitution. Volume of revolution

we've also covered some simple differential equations (rate of decay etc)

could anyone recommend a really solid calculus for physics book with a wide range of difficulty?
 
  • #10
That should be enough for you to work through the derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equation, and doing so would be good practice with the math. The main advantage of starting to learn Lagrangian and/or Hamiltonian mechanics (which is collectively called "classical mechanics" in course catalogs) now would be that you'd have more time to get used to them, and you may find it easier to follow a classical mechanics class when you do take it.

If you want to go on learning more math, I'd suggest focusing on linear algebra (the theory of linear operators, including matrices and vectors). That stuff gets used everywhere in physics. After that in order of importance, complex numbers and then differential equations.
 
  • #11
You should probably learn multivariable calculus and vector calculus.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
23
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K