Pressure on a window of a submarine

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The problem involves determining the maximum safe depth of a submarine based on the pressure exerted on a window. The context includes a submarine window with specific dimensions and a maximum force it can withstand, leading to questions about pressure calculations and the relationship between different pressure variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of pressure using the formula p = F/A and question the appropriate density to use in the context of the problem. There are inquiries about the relationship between different pressure variables, particularly how atmospheric pressure factors into the total pressure at depth.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to solve the problem and are seeking clarification on specific concepts related to pressure. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions of pressure variables and their interrelations, indicating a productive discussion without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the various pressure terms and their meanings, particularly in relation to atmospheric pressure and the pressure exerted by water at depth. There is mention of the need for clearer explanations or additional resources to aid understanding.

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Homework Statement


a research submarine has a 20 cm diameter window 8 cm think. the manufacturer says the window van withstand forces up to 1x106N. What is the submarine's maximum safe depth?


Homework Equations


p = po + \rhogd


The Attempt at a Solution


p = F/A = 1X106 / 0.03 = 3.2x107 Pa

so now do i use p = po + \rhogd ??

but if i do what would be my \rho?
\rho = m/v = m/\pir2h
how would i find mass?

thanks in advance for help!
 
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ok so i solved it with the help of a different post but i had a question:
she does p' = p1 + \rhogd
p' - p1 = \rhogd

and then she says that p1 = 1x105 Pa > atmospheric pressure. I was just wondering why?

can someone explain how
\Deltap = p1 - po relates or is used in conjunction with p' = p1 + \rhogd? is \Deltap = p'
 
anyone??
 
i really just can't seem to wrap my head around pressure concepts, if someone knows how to explain it clearly or knows a website where i can see examples and stuff that would be great!
 
indietro said:
ok so i solved it with the help of a different post but i had a question:
she does p' = p1 + \rhogd
p' - p1 = \rhogd

and then she says that p1 = 1x105 Pa > atmospheric pressure. I was just wondering why?
it gets confusing with so many different letter variables like p, p_1, p_o, p', \rho (and Pa for Paschals to boot), so let's define the variables:

let

p_o = atmospheric pressure = 1.01(10^5) Paschals
p = total pressure at depth d
\rho = density of water = 1000kg/m^3)

Now when the top of the water is not sealed off (that is, it is exposed to the atmosphere),
p = p_o + \rho gd, that is , the total pressure at depth d is the sum total of the atmospheric pressure and the water pressure at that depth.
 

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