Previous thoughts on destroying asteroids were wrong: Nuking them is a bad idea

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The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of using nuclear weapons to destroy asteroids, prompted by a study from Johns Hopkins University. Participants explore the implications of the study, the feasibility of nuclear solutions versus alternative methods like deflection, and the general public perception of these ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study indicating that even if an asteroid is nuked, it will still have a core that could reform quickly, suggesting that nuclear solutions may be less effective than previously thought.
  • Others propose that a gentler approach, such as deflecting an asteroid's path, might be more effective and feasible than attempting to destroy it.
  • Concerns are raised about the study's focus on asteroid collisions rather than the implications of using nuclear weapons, with some participants questioning the relevance of the findings to the topic of nuclear destruction.
  • There is skepticism about the public's belief in the efficacy of nuclear solutions, with some participants suggesting that only a niche group supports this idea, while others argue that there is a broader misunderstanding of the issue.
  • One participant emphasizes that the study should have addressed the loss of mass and changes in trajectory resulting from nuclear impacts, rather than focusing solely on asteroid collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of nuclear solutions versus deflection methods, with no consensus reached on the best approach to asteroid threats. There is also disagreement regarding the interpretation and relevance of the study in question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the study may not adequately account for the material that would be ejected from an asteroid's core after a nuclear explosion, raising questions about its applicability to the discussion of nuclear solutions.

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I guess for asteriods an appropriately timed gentle touch is better than a heavy hand.
 
The paper is about collision between asteroids, the introduction is about nukes.
I see no account for the material what will actually leave the 'core'
So far seems like just another strict study deformed to be a clickbait o_O
 
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Rive said:
The paper is about collision between asteroids, the introduction is about nukes.
I see no account for the material what will actually leave the 'core'
So far seems like just another strict study deformed to be a clickbait o_O

You can see it in the simulation.

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Mlesnita Daniel said:
This study from Johns Hopkins University shows that even if we manage to nuke an asteroid and "destroy" it, it will have a core back, in almost 2 hours.

Nuking them was a bad idea before, but now seems worse.

Who's "we"? Only Bruce Willis fans ever thought it was a good idea.
 
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phyzguy said:
Who's "we"? Only Bruce Willis fans ever thought it was a good idea.

You would be surprised to see how many think that it is a good idea. :)
 
phyzguy said:
Only Bruce Willis fans ever thought it was a good idea.
I don't really know about good or bad: rather, the only one which seems to be feasible right now...
 
Rive said:
I don't really know about good or bad: rather, the only one which seems to be feasible right now...

Why do you think that? Where is the necessity to "destroy" an oncoming asteroid? Deflecting it's path so that it doesn't hit the Earth is much easier, cheaper, and more effective.
 
phyzguy said:
Deflecting it's path so that it doesn't hit the Earth is much easier, cheaper, and more effective.
The problem is, that we don't have any means to achieve that right now - unless with nukes. Nothing else can provide the necessary energy within the mass limits we can actually deliver to an asteroid (which is still distant enough to make noticeable change).

It is easy to make fun of the BW believers due their misunderstanding over nukes (blow it to pieces! That always works - in movies, at least...), but the fact is, that the matter at hand is just as frequently misunderstood by the opposite party too.

So, this study (if meant to be about nuking asteroids instead of asteroid collisions) should have been about the loss off mass and the change of course in case of various impact points, depths and yields.
But the study is about collision. A fascinating thing and the model developed will be useful at long term, but to introduce it as being about nukes made it just a sad clickbait :sorry:
 
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Redundant thread, see here
 
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Mlesnita Daniel said:
You would be surprised to see how many think that it is a good idea. :)
I wouldn't be surprised about the existence of any group which hold loopy and ill-informed ideas. Start with the anti-vaccine movement.
The 'nukem' belief is based on the false idea that nuking something removes its mass.
 
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