Primary constraints and Nambu-Goto action

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter haushofer
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Constraints
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the primary constraints associated with the Nambu-Goto action in classical string theory. Participants explore how to systematically derive these constraints, particularly focusing on the relationship between the canonical momenta and the Jacobian of the transformation involved.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to systematically derive the primary constraints for the Nambu-Goto string, referencing the canonical momenta and the Jacobian of the transformation.
  • Another participant suggests that the topic may be more appropriate for a different subforum.
  • A later reply mentions the concept of "constraint quantization" and references various approaches, including Dirac's work.
  • Some participants argue that quantization is not necessary for this classical problem, while others emphasize the importance of Dirac's treatment of constraints.
  • One participant provides an example of the canonical formalism for the free relativistic particle to illustrate the concept.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how to derive primary constraints from the Jacobian's properties, indicating a potential gap in understanding.
  • A participant recommends the book "Quantization of gauge systems" by Henneaux and Teitelboim for a detailed treatment of constraints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to derive the primary constraints, with multiple competing views on the necessity of quantization and the appropriate references for further reading.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the systematic derivation of primary constraints and the interpretation of the Jacobian's properties in this context.

haushofer
Science Advisor
Insights Author
Messages
3,082
Reaction score
1,600
Hi,

I have a fairly simple question, in particular for the Nambu-Goto string,
<br /> S = - T \int d^2 \sigma \sqrt{-\gamma}<br />
where gamma is the induced metric on the worldsheet. The canonical momenta are
<br /> p_{\mu} = - T\sqrt{-\gamma}\gamma^{a0}\partial_a x_{\mu}<br />
From this it is quite straightforward to see that these momenta obey the two primary constraints
<br /> p_{\mu}x&#039;^{\mu} = 0, \ \ \ p_{\mu}p^{\mu} + T^2 x&#039;_{\mu}x&#039;^{\mu} = 0 <br />
My question is: how do you systematically derive these constraints (not only for the string, but in particular)?

These primary constraints are due to the fact that the Jacobian of the transformation
<br /> p_{\mu} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{\mu}}<br />
is not invertible, so it has to do something with this. The number of eigenvectors with eigenvalue zero of this Jacobian then, as I understand, gives the number of primary constraints. So the only thing I can think of is to calculate the Jacobian, and see if this anihilates the linear combination a\dot{x}^{\mu} + bx&#039;^{\mu} (what else could it be?), but is this the right approach?

Does anyone have a clear answer, or a good reference to this? Thanks! :)
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
BTW, if this topic is more appropriate in another subforum, I don't mind to have it replaced.
 
Have you tried at Physics Stackexchange?
 
The general approach is called "constraint quantization". There are several different approaches (Gupta-Bleuler in QED, Dirac described a rather general concept, BRST, ...). I would start with Dirac's original paper.
 
I don't think he needs quantization, this is classical stuff. But Dirac does have a whole book on constraints. You should find info in more advanced classical mechanics books too.
 
A basic example is the canonical formalism for the free relativistic particle
 
Hi,

indeed, I don't have to quantize, this is all classical. I've read Dirac's "lectures on QM" and his treatment of Hamiltonian analysis, but I can't really find in that text how one systematically finds the primary constraints.

For the free relativistic particle, one gets that the Jacobian J_{\mu\nu} \equiv \frac{\partial p_{\mu}}{\partial \dot{x}^{\nu}} of the transformation

<br /> \dot{x}^{\mu} \rightarrow p_{\mu} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{\mu}}<br />

annihilates the vector \dot{x}^{\mu}, but I only see that this is an indication that the momenta are dependent (the Jacobian has determinant zero and hence is not invertible); I don't see how one actually derives the primary constraint from that, but probably I'm missing something very basic.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
Have you tried at Physics Stackexchange?
No, I didn't know that site, but I will take a look :)
 
  • #10
The canonical reference is Henneaux and Tetelboim "Quantization of gauge systems". They go over how to derive the first and second class constraints in great detail including all the subtleties in the first few chapters.

For a slightly easier read, there are likely many classical mechanics texts as well, but the real juice comes from the above.
 
  • #11
Thanks Haelfix, I'll look that one up! :)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
7K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K