Primary Voltage for 10T/500T Transformer

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum and minimum primary voltage for a transformer with a specified number of turns in the primary and secondary windings. The context includes considerations of transformer design, core materials, and operating frequency, with a focus on practical and experimental approaches.

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  • Some participants suggest a rough guideline of 5 turns per volt, estimating 2 volts for the primary with 10 turns and 100 volts for the secondary with 500 turns.
  • Others argue that the maximum voltage depends on the core material and supply frequency, indicating that higher frequencies allow for more volts per turn on a given core.
  • A participant proposes an experimental method using a Variac to determine the maximum voltage by monitoring the input current and observing core saturation.
  • There are calculations mentioned for determining volts per turn based on core dimensions and permeability, with a specific formula provided for laminated core transformers.
  • One participant acknowledges an error in their earlier statement regarding turns per volt and clarifies the correct relationship.
  • A later reply provides specific details about the transformer setup, including the use of ferrite EE cores and the input configuration involving a Darlington pair.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the factors influencing primary voltage, including core material, frequency, and experimental methods. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the exact maximum and minimum voltage values.

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The discussion includes assumptions about core materials and dimensions, as well as dependencies on supply frequency, which are not fully resolved. There are also references to specific calculations that may depend on additional parameters not provided in the discussion.

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What should be the maximum and minimum primary voltage of output transformer with 10 turns of 22 SWG primary winding and 500 turns of 34 SWG Secondary winding?
 
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Depends on the iron core, but as a rough guide take 5 turns per volt.
10 turns 2 volts
500 turns 100 volts
 
It depends on the core AND the supply frequency. You can put more volts per turn on a given piece of iron with a higher frequency.

Assuming 60 Hz, this can be determined experimentally, if you have a Variac. You'll need two meters, one to monitor the input voltage, and one to monitor the input current. SLOOOOOOWLY ramp up the voltage with the Variac, keeping a close eye on the current. When the core begins to saturate, you'll see the start of a sudden, sharp rise in excitation current. At that point, STOP, dial the voltage back a bit and note the voltage. That's your absolute max. There is no practical min, although efficiency will suffer at too low a drive voltage.

You can also roughly calculate your volts per turn figure if you know the core dimensions and permeability. If it's a laminated core power transformer, assuming silicon steel alloy is a safe bet. In that case simply divide 38 (for 60 Hz; for 50 Hz use 45) by the core cross-sectional area (in square cm) to obtain a rough figure.
 
negitron said:
You can also roughly calculate your volts per turn figure if you know the core dimensions and permeability. If it's a laminated core power transformer, assuming silicon steel alloy is a safe bet. In that case simply divide 38 (for 60 Hz; for 50 Hz use 45) by the core cross-sectional area (in square cm) to obtain a rough figure.

Actually that will give you the number of turns per volt (for a nominal 1T peak steady state flux density). If you want volts per turn you'll have to take the reciprocal of this.
 
uart said:
If you want volts per turn you'll have to take the reciprocal of this.

Right. My error. Oddly, I had it right to start but then I "corrected" it.
 
Thanks for the quick replies! I am using two ferrite EE cores, dimensions 60x35x8mm size each. The input to the primary is the current-amplified output of a darlington pair (SL-100 and 2N3055)
 

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