Prime factors of an expression

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The discussion revolves around the concept of prime factors in algebraic expressions, particularly in the context of polynomial factorization. Participants explore the definition and implications of prime factors versus regular factors, with examples provided to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the term 'prime factors' applies to algebraic expressions, suggesting that they may simply be referred to as 'factors'.
  • Another participant agrees that they are factors but emphasizes that they are irreducible, meaning they cannot be factored further.
  • A different participant argues that the classification of factors as prime depends on the mathematical context, specifically the ring in which the polynomials exist, citing the example of ##x^2 + 1 = (x - i)(x + i)## to illustrate the complexity of defining prime factors.
  • This participant also provides a formal definition of a prime element in the context of both numbers and polynomials, highlighting the importance of the underlying mathematical structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definition and applicability of prime factors in algebraic expressions, with no consensus reached on whether the term is appropriate or how it should be defined.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the mathematical context, such as the specific ring of polynomials being considered, which affects the classification of factors as prime or not.

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I'm reading a book that mentions writing an algebraic expression in terms of its prime factors, for example:

x2 - 2 x - 3 = (x + 1) (x - 3)​

I know what 'prime factors' means for a number but not for an expression. Aren't these just 'factors'?
 
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Jehannum said:
I'm reading a book that mentions writing an algebraic expression in terms of its prime factors, for example:

x2 - 2 x - 3 = (x + 1) (x - 3)​

I know what 'prime factors' means for a number but not for an expression. Aren't these just 'factors'?

They are factors, but they are also irreducible, as they themselves cannot be factored any further.
 
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Ah ... thank you.
 
Jehannum said:
I'm reading a book that mentions writing an algebraic expression in terms of its prime factors, for example:

x2 - 2 x - 3 = (x + 1) (x - 3)​

I know what 'prime factors' means for a number but not for an expression. Aren't these just 'factors'?
No, factors alone would be insufficient to describe what is meant. E.g. take ##x^2+1=(x-i)(x+i)##. What are the factors here and which one is prime? The example shows that it depends on the ring you consider, i.e. the place in which the objects, here polynomials live.
In general a prime is defined by ##p \textrm{ isn't a unit (invertible) and } (\,p \,\vert \,ab \Longrightarrow p\,\vert \,a \textrm{ or } p\,\vert \,b\,)##. This is the definition for numbers and polynomials. (Of course you could also define them as those elements ##p## of a commutative ring ##R## with unity, for which ##R/pR## is an integral domain.) The point is in any case, that it is important where the elements are taken from. An easy example would be ordinary primes: ##5## is a prime in the integers, but it isn't as a real number.
 

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