Prime Numbers Formula: 1800s Math Discovery

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The discussion revolves around a historical mathematical formula related to prime numbers, purportedly developed in the 1800s. Participants explore its effectiveness in predicting prime numbers, its limitations, and references to related mathematical concepts and literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a formula that predicts all prime numbers up to a certain point but becomes inaccurate beyond that.
  • Another participant recalls a polynomial that generates primes for values of n from 1 to 79 but fails afterward.
  • A third participant speculates that this topic may be referenced in Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations, though they express uncertainty.
  • A link to a resource on JSTOR is provided, suggesting it contains relevant information.
  • One participant notes that polynomials can be constructed to yield all primes up to any arbitrary point if the primes are already known.
  • A complex system of equations is presented, claimed to have positive solutions that correspond to prime numbers, with a suggestion that this approach may be misleading.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on the assertion that the equation system is "cheating."

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the effectiveness and limitations of the historical formula and related polynomial approaches. There is no consensus on the validity or implications of the claims made.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of primes and the context of polynomial construction. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the nature of the equations presented.

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Individuals interested in the history of mathematics, prime number theory, and the exploration of mathematical formulas may find this discussion relevant.

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I was told by a math teacher I met recently that there is a formula that a mathematician in the 1800's came up with that accurately predicted all of the primes up to a certain point, but after that point began to miss a few primes, and after awhile, wasn't useful at all. Does anyone have any information on that?
 
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There is a polynomial in N that gives primes for something like n=1 through 79, but then falls apart. I can't remember what it is at the moment, but I'll try to find it if nobody else posts anything
 
For some reason I'm recalling that it actually appears in Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations, but I'm not sure if that's right...
 
http://www.jstor.org/view/07468342/di020779/02p0348s/0

This site seems to have good information
 
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You can, of course, construct polynomials that will give you all the primes up to any arbitrary point, if you already know what they are!
 
The positive solutions to the following system of equations are precisely the primes. But if you look closely you'll see that it's cheating you...

0 = wz + h + j − q
0 = (gk + 2g + k + 1)(h + j) + h − z
0 = 16(k + 1)3(k + 2)(n + 1)2 + 1 − f2
0 = 2n + p + q + z − e
0 = e3(e + 2)(a + 1)2 + 1 − o2
0 = (a2 − 1)y2 + 1 − x2
0 = 16r2y4(a2 − 1) + 1 − u2
0 = n + l + v − y
0 = (a2 − 1)l2 + 1 − m2
0 = ai + k + 1 − l − i
0 = ((a + u2(u2 − a))2 − 1)(n + 4dy)2 + 1 − (x + cu)2
0 = p + l(a − n − 1) + b(2an + 2a − n2 − 2n − 2) − m
0 = q + y(a − p − 1) + s(2ap + 2p − p2 − 2p − 2) − x
0 = z + pl(a − p) + t(2ap − p2 − 1) − pm.
 
Dragonfall said:
But if you look closely you'll see that it's cheating you...

Could you explain this?
 

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