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The discussion revolves around the availability and readability of "Principia Mathematica," co-authored by Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead. Participants share their experiences with the text, its complexity, and its significance in the context of logic and mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention having read parts of "Principia Mathematica," noting its complexity and the challenge of deriving mathematics from fundamental logical concepts.
  • One participant describes the book as a "horrible, horrible mess," indicating a negative experience with its content.
  • Another participant suggests that reading "Finnegans Wake" might be a better preliminary step before tackling "Principia Mathematica."
  • Several participants discuss the necessity of a strong background in symbolic logic or mathematics to fully appreciate the text.
  • One participant humorously asserts that bragging rights about owning a copy are invalid unless one has attempted to read it.
  • There is a suggestion that learning Latin could aid in understanding, although another participant clarifies that the book is primarily written in English, despite its Latin title.
  • A link to a related resource is provided, indicating interest in further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions about the book's readability and significance, with no clear consensus on its value or accessibility. Some find it awe-inspiring, while others view it as overly complex and difficult.

Contextual Notes

There are references to the potential confusion between Russell and Whitehead's work and Newton's "Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica," highlighting the importance of clarity in discussing these texts.

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i read i think in russell's "problems in philosophy" that his book (that he wrote with witehead) were read by a handful of people, i wonder if anyone here read this mass, and is it availabale in the web?
 
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I have read parts of it- the whole thing would be far too much! Principia Mathematica was an attempt (not entirely successful) to derive mathematics from the most fundamental concepts of logic. About half-way through the book they have finally produced enough concepts to define the natural numbers- and then requires several pages to prove that 2+ 2= 4! It's worth a look just for the "awe" value, but unless you are a professor of symbolic logic, I would not recommend buying it or trying to read the whole thing.
 
i recommend reading finnegan's wake first.
 
There's a copy at my university, so I picked it up and read parts of it. It is a horrible, horrible mess.
 
Treadstone 71 said:
There's a copy at my university

there's THE copy of it at my university :-p
 
rhj23 said:
there's THE copy of it at my university :-p
All bragging rights are null and void unless you've actually tried to read the damn thing. Since I know that you haven't, you are not allowed to boast. ;)
 
HallsofIvy said:
I have read parts of it- the whole thing would be far too much! Principia Mathematica was an attempt (not entirely successful) to derive mathematics from the most fundamental concepts of logic. About half-way through the book they have finally produced enough concepts to define the natural numbers- and then requires several pages to prove that 2+ 2= 4! It's worth a look just for the "awe" value, but unless you are a professor of symbolic logic, I would not recommend buying it or trying to read the whole thing.

That is amazingly badass.

^Probably one of the few places in the world I can say this and have people either agree with me or not give it a second thought.
 
Try learning latin and then read it. It might be easier to read.
 
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scott1 said:
Try learning latin and then read it. It might be easier to read.
Learning mathematics and symbolic logic first would be better. While the title "Principia Mathematica" is Latin, the book itself was written in English. (Well, what's in between all the symbo's is English!)

It occurs to me that you may be thinking of Newton's Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. The very first post made it clear that the poster was talking about Russell and Whitehead's "Principia Mathematica".
 

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