Probabilistic interpretation of wave function

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The discussion revolves around the probabilistic interpretation of the wave function in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing why the square of the wave function is considered a probability density function. Participants explore foundational concepts, historical context, and the mathematical formulation of the Schrödinger equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the square of the wave function is used as a probability density function, suggesting it may be to eliminate complex components but wonders why the square root is not taken instead.
  • Another participant asserts that the interpretation of the wave function as a probability amplitude is a fundamental axiom of quantum mechanics, indicating that the reasoning behind it is not fully understood.
  • A participant references a book stating that the understanding of the wave function as a probability density took significant historical development, prompting curiosity about the origins of the Schrödinger equation.
  • One reply emphasizes that axioms cannot be questioned in terms of their origins, suggesting that the focus should be on their applicability rather than their historical development.
  • Another participant expresses disagreement with the notion of retracing historical development to learn quantum mechanics, arguing that it is more efficient to learn the theory as it is understood today.
  • A participant mentions that the constants in the Schrödinger equation are not arbitrary and suggests consulting specific sections of Sakurai's Modern Quantum Mechanics for a deeper understanding of its derivation.
  • One participant describes a process involving the derivation of the momentum operator and the Hamiltonian operator, explaining how these concepts relate to the Schrödinger equation, though noting that it is not a formal derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the historical context of quantum mechanics and the nature of axioms. There is no consensus on the necessity or relevance of understanding the historical development of quantum mechanics for learning the subject.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity and sophistication of the Schrödinger equation compared to classical mechanics, indicating that its derivation is not straightforward and involves several assumptions and principles.

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I just start to study quantum mechanics and i don't understand why square of wave function is probability density function. I think the reason of taking square of wave function is because we should eliminate complex compounds of wave function to get a real magnitute. But after why don't we take square root of that? Is there any mathematical proof which explains the reason? Thanks for your help.
 
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coki2000, This is the most basic, fundamental axiom of quantum mechanics. You are not allowed to ask why! Seriously, no one knows why, except the fact that everything depends on a complex probability amplitude and not just a real probability is what makes quantum mechanics so different from classical mechanics. It makes interference possible.
 
Thank you for your reply.
"The discovery that the symbol [tex]\Psi[/tex] in the Schrödinger equation represents a probability density took many years and arose only after much work by many physicists."

I have read this from a book of quantum mechanics so I wonder this "much work" in the quote. It is also mentioned that the Schrödinger equation cannot be
derived from anywhere else and it is just like the F=ma but I can't understand where [tex]-\frac{\hbar}{2m}[/tex] and [tex]i\hbar[/tex] come from. It is a phenomenological equation but also very sophisticated than F=ma. So I think there must be an explanation to where they come from. Thanks.
 
Again, the fact that Ψ(x) represents a probability amplitude is an axiom. You can't ask where an axiom came from. You can't say to Euclid, "Hey, where did you get that parallel postulate?" But what you *can* do is verify how well it works, and see that it does not contradict anything else. That's what the rest of the course will be about.
The discovery that the Ψ(x) in the Schrödinger equation represents a probability density took many years and arose only after much work by many physicists.

I don't agree with that. Ψ(x) always was a probability amplitude. But even if it was not, it is a mistake to try to learn a subject by retracing its history. If you want to learn relativity, the last thing you should do is try to go through Einstein's early papers to see what he was thinking 100 years ago and how he was led to the theory. It's irrelevant, not to mention laborious and time-wasteful. Doing this means you will drag through every mistake he made, every misunderstanding he ever had. We understand the theory now better than Einstein ever did. Learn it the right way from the beginning, not the umpteen wrong ways.

Many blind alleys were followed during the development of quantum mechanics, and many of these incorrect ideas are still around, occupying people's minds. Just realize from the beginning that quantum mechanics is not classical mechanics, and cannot be understood by trying to force it into that mold.
 
It is a phenomenological equation but also very sophisticated than F=ma. So I think there must be an explanation to where they come from. Thanks.

There is -- the constants you mentioned are not arbitrary, despite appearances. Do you have a copy of Sakurai's Modern Quantum Mechanics? I would refer you to sections 1.6, 1.7, 2.1, and 2.4 for really good explanations of where the Schrödinger equation comes from. Like Bill_K said, it can't be derived as such, but Sakurai does a really good job of motivating it from a couple of simple principles.
 
coki2000 said:
Thank you for your reply.I have read this from a book of quantum mechanics so I wonder this "much work" in the quote. It is also mentioned that the Schrödinger equation cannot be
derived from anywhere else and it is just like the F=ma but I can't understand where [tex]-\frac{\hbar}{2m}[/tex] and [tex]i\hbar[/tex] come from. It is a phenomenological equation but also very sophisticated than F=ma. So I think there must be an explanation to where they come from. Thanks.

On one of my books it first derives the momentum operator
[tex]\mathbf{p}=-i\hbar\nabla[/tex]
then constructs the Hamiltonian operator (if you don't know what is Hamiltonian, think of it as energy; most of time it is correct to assume that) from correspondence principle
[tex]H=\frac{\mathbf{p}^{2}}{2m}+V=-\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m}\nabla^{2}+V[/tex]
Then it goes on the explain why Hamilton corresponds to time evolution, and concluded that for any allowed wavefunction,
[tex]\hat{H}\psi=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\psi[/tex]

It is not a real "derivation", but it is easiest to remember Schrödinger equation.
 

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