Probability: Find the number of ways to form 4-digit numbers >3000

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The discussion revolves around finding the number of distinct 4-digit numbers greater than 3000 that can be formed using the digits 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4. Participants explore different approaches to solve the problem, including case analysis based on the first digit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help in solving the problem and expresses confusion about the correct answer.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on what has been tried and where the original poster is stuck.
  • A participant calculates a total of 54 distinct numbers but expresses confusion since the expected answer is 51.
  • One participant outlines a case analysis approach, stating that if the first digit is 3, the remaining digits can be chosen from a specific list, leading to a calculation of 25 valid combinations.
  • The same participant continues with the case where the first digit is 4, concluding that there are 26 valid combinations for this case, resulting in a total of 51 distinct numbers.
  • A later reply reiterates the same case analysis and calculations, confirming the total of 51 distinct numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct method or total number of distinct 4-digit numbers, as one participant suggests a total of 54, while others arrive at 51 through case analysis.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the selection of digits and the conditions under which certain combinations are valid, which remain unresolved.

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Please help me solve this,

Given digits 2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,4, how many distinct 4 digit numbers greater than 3000 can be formed?

Thank you
 
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What have you tried, and where are you stuck?
 
MarkFL said:
What have you tried, and where are you stuck?
2×3×3×3=54, is this correct sir? I am confused since 51 is the key answer
 
The first digit is either 3 or 4. So, let's consider each case separately:

(1) First digit is 3:

Then the rest of the numbers must come from the list: 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4
Therefore we may choose any 3-digit sequence except 222 and 333 for the rest of the digits. This shows there are:

$$N_1=3^3-2=25$$

numbers in this case.

(2) First digit is 4:

Then the rest of the numbers must come from the list 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4
Therefore we may choose any 3-digit sequence except 222 for the rest of the digits. This shows there are:

$$N_2=3^3-1=26$$

numbers in this case.

Hence, the total number is:

$$N=N_1+N_2=51$$
 
MarkFL said:
The first digit is either 3 or 4. So, let's consider each case separately:

(1) First digit is 3:

Then the rest of the numbers must come from the list: 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4
Therefore we may choose any 3-digit sequence except 222 and 333 for the rest of the digits. This shows there are:

$$N_1=3^3-2=25$$

numbers in this case.

(2) First digit is 4:

Then the rest of the numbers must come from the list 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4
Therefore we may choose any 3-digit sequence except 222 for the rest of the digits. This shows there are:

$$N_2=3^3-1=26$$

numbers in this case.

Hence, the total number is:

$$N=N_1+N_2=51$$
Thank you sir
 

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