Probability of measuring flavor f_1 for neutrinos with different masses?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability of measuring neutrino flavors, specifically f_1 and f_2, in relation to their mass eigenstates m_1 and m_2. The original poster presents a scenario where neutrinos are created in specific flavor states and questions the probabilities associated with measuring these flavors after they have traveled and potentially changed states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between flavor states and mass eigenstates, questioning how to calculate the probabilities of measuring flavor f_1 and the implications of measuring it on the mass state of the neutrino. There is discussion about the interpretation of the probabilities and the potential similarities between the two questions posed.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about whether the two questions regarding probabilities are indeed asking for the same thing. There is a recognition of the need for clarification on the distinctions between flavor and mass states, and some guidance is offered without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the orthogonality of the states involved and the implications of the unitarity of the mixing matrix, which may influence their calculations and interpretations. There is an emphasis on the desire to understand the underlying principles rather than simply obtaining answers.

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Homework Statement


Neutrinos are created in states of one of two possible flavors, [itex]f_1[/itex] or [itex]f_2[/itex]. Each flavor state can be expressed as a linear combination of mass eigenstates with masses [itex]m_1[/itex] and [itex]m_2[/itex]
[tex] |f_1\rangle = |m_1\rangle a_{11}+|m_2\rangle a_{21}[/tex]
[tex] |f_2\rangle = |m_1\rangle a_{12} + |m_2\rangle a_{22}[/tex]
The unitary matrix [itex]a_{ij}[/itex] is called the mixing matrix. The different mass of neutrinos with the same momentum move at different speeds. Eventually the light neutrino ([itex]m_1[/itex]) will outrun the heavier neutrino ([itex]m_2[/itex]). When the lighter neutrino reaches a detector only the flavor can be detected. what is the probability of measuring the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex]? After the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex] is measured and selected, what is the probability that the neutrino continues moving with the lighter mass ([itex]m_1[/itex])?

Homework Equations


[tex] P=\frac{\langle a|b\rangle\langle b|a\rangle}{\langle a|a\rangle\langle b|b\rangle}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I feel like the two questions are the same... It sounds like to me that a neutrino prepared in a state [itex]|m_1\rangle[/itex] addresses the detector and I want to measure the probability of it being in a state [itex]f_1[/itex]. I interpret this as
[tex] \begin{align}<br /> P(f_1) &= \langle m_1|f_1\rangle\langle f_1|m_1\rangle \\<br /> &= (a_{11}\langle m_1|m_1\rangle + a_{21}\langle m_1|m_2\rangle)(a_{11}^{\ast}\langle m_1|m_1\rangle + a_{21}^{\ast}\langle m_2|m_1\rangle<br /> \end{align}[/tex]
Then I assumed that [itex]\langle m_1|m_2\rangle=0[/itex] and [itex]\langle m_1|m_1\rangle=1[/itex] by orthogonality. Then
[tex] P(f_1)=|a_{11}|^2[/tex]
The problem is that this seems to me to be the way to answer both questions... Where is my misunderstanding?

Thanks,

PS I know it says this already but please don't tell me the answer, I really want to figure this out on my own, thanks.
 
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jfy4 said:
After the flavor [itex]f_1[/itex] is measured and selected, what is the probability that the neutrino continues moving with the lighter mass ([itex]m_1[/itex])?

Perhaps I see it differently...

Is this saying that now the state is [itex]|f_1\rangle[/itex] and we want to know the probability of state [itex]|m_1\rangle[/itex], that is
[tex] \langle f_1|m_1\rangle\langle m_1|f_1\rangle ?[/tex]

Thanks,
 
Yes, that's how I read it as well.
 
Okay, then I took [itex]f_i=a_{ij}m_j[/itex] and solved for [itex]m_j=a^{-1}_{ij}f_i[/itex]. I then carried out
[tex] \langle f_1|m_1\rangle\langle m_1|f_1\rangle=\frac{|a_{22}|^2}{|a_{11}a_{22}-a_{12}a_{21}|^2}[/tex]
but since [itex]a_{ij}[/itex] is unitary that is
[tex] =|a_{22}|^2[/tex]

Does that seem correct?
 
ignore that dross above... I'm still stumped, they seem to be asking for the same probability. To me it sounds like: there is a neutrino of mass [itex]m_1[/itex], what is the probability of it having flavor [itex]f_1[/itex]? Then: There is a neutrino of flavor [itex]f_1[/itex], what is the probability of it having mass [itex]m_1[/itex]? Both of these seem to be [itex]|\langle f_1|m_1\rangle|^2[/itex]...

May I have a hint?
 
I think that's right, actually.
 
You think the expressions for those probabilities are both [itex]|\langle f_1 | m_1\rangle|^2[/itex]? Why would someone write a question like that... :confused:?
 
You'll have to ask your instructor. :wink:
 
Thanks for all your help vela :smile:
 

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