Probability of N or more from uniform distribution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of finding one or more objects in a specified segment of a uniform distribution within a one-dimensional box. It explores the mathematical formulation for both one-dimensional and three-dimensional scenarios, particularly focusing on the implications of uniform distribution and independent random variables.

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  • One participant seeks to calculate the probability of finding at least one object in a segment of length a within a box of length b, given N objects uniformly distributed.
  • Another participant suggests that the probability of at least one object can be derived by calculating the probability of zero objects and subtracting from one, providing a formula: 1 - [(b-a)/b]^n.
  • A later reply confirms the approach and extends the discussion to three-dimensional volumes, proposing a similar calculation for the probability of collision between an object and uniformly distributed particles in a volume.
  • It is noted that the dimension of the space does not affect the independence of the uniformly distributed random variables.

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Participants generally agree on the method for calculating the probability of finding at least one object in a given segment, but the discussion remains open regarding the application of this method to three-dimensional scenarios and the implications of uniform distribution.

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The discussion does not resolve potential complexities related to the assumptions of independence and uniformity in higher dimensions, nor does it address any limitations in the application of the proposed formulas.

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If I have N objects uniformly placed at random in a 1-d box of length b, how do I calculate the probability of finding one or more objects in a given length?

Here's what I mean:

I assume a uniform probability density of 1/b, that is, P = 1/b for 0<x<b and P = 0 everywhere else. I now place N objects into this region, according to that distribution. Thus I have a distribution of objects given by N/b for 0<x<b and zero everywhere else.

This seems to make sense, i.e. my total probability is 1, then total expected number of object in the box is N, and I can calculate the expected number in any segment of length a within the box as a*N/b.

What I am having trouble with is expressing the probability that I will find at least one object in a segment of length a. If a=b, then I'd better get 1 as my answer, but I haven't come up with the correct expression.

I guess I could also ask for the probability of finding n>=2, n>=3, ... n=N, as well, each of which should approach 1 as the length approaches b.

This feels like a pretty elementary question - is it?

Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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The usual way to get an answer to the probability of at least 1 item is to find the probability of 0 items and subtract from 1. In your case the probability that a given object will not appear in an interval of length a is (b-a)/b. Therefore the probability that all n will not appear in the interval is [(b-a)/b]n. So the probability that at least 1 will be in the interval is 1-[(b-a)/b]n.
 
mathman said:
The usual way to get an answer to the probability of at least 1 item is to find the probability of 0 items and subtract from 1. In your case the probability that a given object will not appear in an interval of length a is (b-a)/b. Therefore the probability that all n will not appear in the interval is [(b-a)/b]n. So the probability that at least 1 will be in the interval is 1-[(b-a)/b]n.
Thank you! That's very helpful.

Now maybe I can apply that to my real problem, which is to calculate the probability of collision between an object of a given cross-sectional area and one or more particles that are distributed uniformly in a given volume, through which the object is passing. I think this should just be a matter of extending the 1-d lengths to 3-d volumes, yes?

If the object sweeps through a volume v, then the probability of anyone particle not being in that volume is (V-v)/V (where V = total volume containing particles). The probability that none of the N particles is in the volume v is [(V-v)/V]N, so the probability that at least one particle is in volume v is 1 - [(V-v)/V]N.

Did I get that right?
 
Yes. All that's needed is independent uniformly distributed random variables. Dimension of the space is irrelevant.
 

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