Probability question involving intersections

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The discussion revolves around probability, specifically the intersection of sets and the calculation of joint probabilities involving three events: A, B, and C. Participants are exploring the correct formulation for P(A and B and C) and examining the logical structure of their attempts.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the formula for P(A and B and C) using known probability rules. Some express confusion regarding their logical steps and seek clarification on potential errors in their reasoning.

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Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with some participants affirming the correctness of certain formulas while others question the order of events in the calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the probabilities involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the sharing of complete solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the logical flow of probability concepts rather than simply applying formulas.

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Homework Statement


and is in reference to the intersection of a set.
I know the formula that P(A and B ) = P(B) * P(A|B)

Now we are given something of the nature of P(A and B and C) I am trying to figure out a formula for this. From my searches on google I only find people giving the formula and I really would like to figure it out for my self.

Here is my attempt even though it does not appear to align with the correct formula.

P(A and B and C) = P((A and B) and (C)
= P(K and C ) ; such that P(A and B) = P(K)
= P(C) * P(K|C) ( now I need to do ( B|A)
= P(C) *P(A and B|C)*P(B|A)

What exactly am I doing wrong? I must have made some sort of logical error.

Correct answer should be
P(A)*P(C|A and B) *P(B|A)
 
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If A happens first then B and finally C,
P(C/K) = P(C and K)/P(K)
=>P(C and K) = P(K)*P(C/K)
= P(A and B)*P(C/A and B)

P(A and B) = P(A)P(B/A) because A happens first and then B takes place.
Formula is correct. In your formula,B happens first.
 
TheKracken said:

Homework Statement


and is in reference to the intersection of a set.
I know the formula that P(A and B ) = P(B) * P(A|B)

Now we are given something of the nature of P(A and B and C) I am trying to figure out a formula for this. From my searches on google I only find people giving the formula and I really would like to figure it out for my self.

Here is my attempt even though it does not appear to align with the correct formula.

P(A and B and C) = P((A and B) and (C)
= P(K and C ) ; such that P(A and B) = P(K)
= P(C) * P(K|C) ( now I need to do ( B|A)
= P(C) *P(A and B|C)*P(B|A)

What exactly am I doing wrong? I must have made some sort of logical error.

Correct answer should be
P(A)*P(C|A and B) *P(B|A)

Note: this last expression is equal to
[tex]P(A)\, P(C|A \cap B)\, P(B | A) = P(C | A \cap B)\,\underbrace{ P(B|A)\,P(A)}_{=P(A \cap B)} \\<br /> \hspace{2cm}= P(C | A \cap B) \,P(A \cap B) = P (C \cap A \cap B)[/tex]
You can go backwards and "undo" ##P(A \cap B \cap C) = P(C \cap A \cap B)## to get the final result you want.
 
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AdityaDev said:
If A happens first then B and finally C,
P(C/K) = P(C and K)/P(K)
=>P(C and K) = P(K)*P(C/K)
= P(A and B)*P(C/A and B)

P(A and B) = P(A)P(B/A) because A happens first and then B takes place.
Formula is correct. In your formula,B happens first.
The order of events is immaterial.
 

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