Probability That They Are One Red, One White And One Blue Balls

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The problem involves calculating the probability of drawing one red, one white, and one blue ball from a bag containing 5 red, 9 white, and 4 blue balls, with the draws occurring with replacement. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct approach to find this probability, particularly in relation to the order of draws.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different interpretations of the problem, including the significance of the order of draws and whether to treat the draws as independent events. Some suggest considering the hypergeometric distribution, while others explore the implications of drawing with or without replacement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on calculating probabilities based on different assumptions, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation of the problem.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the answers provided by the source of the question. Participants are questioning the assumptions made regarding the independence of events and the treatment of order in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Three balls are drawn one after the other with replacement, from a bag containing 5 red, 9 white and 4 blue identical balls. What is the probability that they are one red, one white and one blue?

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The question demands that I evaluate the probability that they are one red, one white and one blue balls in the three draws held.
They did not give the order which the draws will follow, I therefore assume it could be in order.
Here is my working:
Total number of balls = 18
P(r) = 5/18
P(w) = 9/18 = 1/2
P(b) = 4/18 = 2/9
The probability that they are one red, one white and one blue balls = P(1st-r,2nd-w,3rd-b) Or P(1st-w,2nd-b,3rd-r) Or P(1st-b, 2nd-r,3rd-w)
(5/18*1/2*2/9) + (1/2*2/9*5/18) + (2/9*5/18*1/2)
= 10 + 10 + 10/324
= 30/324
= 5/54
But the answer I got did not match with the answer they provided for the question. Is my working wrong or did I not follow the right principle?
 
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You mentioned three drawing orders, r.w.b, w.b.r, b.r.w.

What about others?
 
chikis said:

Homework Statement



Three balls are drawn one after the other with replacement, from a bag containing 5 red, 9 white and 4 blue identical balls. What is the probability that they are one red, one white and one blue?

You might find it easier to not treat this as though order counts. Have you studied the hypergeometric distribution? Look at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergeometric_distribution

for a discussion and you will see how to use it for your problem.
 
Villyer said:
You mentioned three drawing orders, r.w.b, w.b.r, b.r.w.

What about others?

But the questions says, "Three balls are drawn one after the other with replacement, from a bag", so assume they three draws because they three balls. Don't you think the same?
 
chikis said:
But the questions says, "Three balls are drawn one after the other with replacement, from a bag", so assume they three draws because they three balls. Don't you think the same?

Sorry. I mis-read it as without replacement.
 
LCKurtz said:
Sorry. I mis-read it as without replacement.

Even if it is without replacement, does that make a change to the already laid down principle?
 
With replacement, there are, at each draw, 18 balls, 5 red, 9 white, and 4 blue. The probability of drawing a red ball is 5/18, a white ball is 9/18, and a blue ball is 4/18. Of course, because this is with replacement these are independent. If A and B are independent events then P(A and B)= P(A)P(B).

However, there are 3!= 6 "orders" in which you can draw the three balls, not 3:
RWB
RBW
WRB
WBR
BRW
BWR

Instead of calculating each one separately and adding note that the probabilities of each are all the same- (5/18)(9/18)(4/18)- and multiply by 6.
 
I think it is important at this juncture, that I inform you that your system of working is quite different from the working and answers provided by the people who set the question.
Here is the list of possible answers based on how you do the workings. A. 5/102 B. 5/136 C. 5/162 D. 5/204 E. 5/243.
It is unforturnate to note that your working did not fall into any of these answers.
Here is their own working:
Total number of balls = 18
P(1R, 1W, 1B) = 5/18 * 1/2 * 2/9 = 5/162 = option C.
What do you have say about it?
 
chikis said:
Even if it is without replacement, does that make a change to the already laid down principle?

I think it is important at this juncture, that I inform you that your system of working is quite different from the working and answers provided by the people who set the question.
Here is the list of possible answers based on how you do the workings. A. 5/102 B. 5/136 C. 5/162 D. 5/204 E. 5/243.
It is unforturnate to note that your working did not fall into any of these answers.
Here is their own working:
Total number of balls = 18
P(1R, 1W, 1B) = 5/18 * 1/2 * 2/9 = 5/162 = option C.
What do you have say about it?
 
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chikis said:
rs.
Here is their own working:
Total number of balls = 18
P(1R, 1W, 1B) = 5/18 * 1/2 * 2/9 = 5/162 = option C.
What do you have say about it?

That calculation looks correct since the three events are independent.
 
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chikis said:
I think it is important at this juncture, that I inform you that your system of working is quite different from the working and answers provided by the people who set the question.
Here is the list of possible answers based on how you do the workings. A. 5/102 B. 5/136 C. 5/162 D. 5/204 E. 5/243.
It is unforturnate to note that your working did not fall into any of these answers.
Here is their own working:
Total number of balls = 18
P(1R, 1W, 1B) = 5/18 * 1/2 * 2/9 = 5/162 = option C.
What do you have say about it?
That is correct if the original question was "one red, one white and one blue ball" in that order. That was not my interpretation since the words "in that order" were not in the original problem. In fact you said, in your original post, "They did not give the order which the draws will follow".

In any case, it is not "quite different"- it only drops the factor of "3!= 6", the number of possible orders.
 

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