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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving two electrons constrained to move in one dimension, interacting through a specified potential. The total spin of the system is given as S = 1, and the objective is to determine the state of the system, particularly the nature of the wave function.

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  • Participants explore the symmetry properties of the wave function, questioning whether it should be symmetric or antisymmetric based on the Pauli exclusion principle. There is discussion about the implications of the Hamiltonian's invariance under parity and the need to determine the wave function's form.

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Some participants have reached a consensus that the total state must be antisymmetric, leading to the conclusion that the spatial wave function must also be antisymmetric. There is ongoing exploration regarding the continuity conditions of the wave function and the implications of the spin states on the overall wave function.

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Participants note the challenge of missing information regarding the exact problem statement, which may limit the ability to fully resolve the discussion. The focus remains on understanding the constraints on the spatial wave function rather than finding a complete solution.

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Can someone help me with this exercise?: Consider two electrons constrained to move in one dimension. They interact through the potential
$$
V(x) = \begin{cases}
0, & \text{ if } |x| > a \\
-V_{0}, & \text{ if } |x| \leq a
\end{cases}
$$
where ##x## is the relative coordinate. The total spin is ##S = 1##, and the objective is to determine the state of the system.
I know I can write the state as ##|\Psi \rangle = |P \rangle \otimes |\psi \rangle \otimes |SM \rangle##, where ##|P \rangle## is an eigenstate of the momentum of CM, and the wave function ##\psi (x) = \langle x | \psi \rangle ## is the solution of $$-\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2\mu}\frac{\mathrm{d^{2}}\psi }{\mathrm{d} x^{2}} + V(x)\psi(x) = E \psi(x).$$ Now, I know that the states ##|P \rangle## and ##|SM \rangle ## with ##S=1## are symmetric over permutation of the electrons, but I don't know how to determine if ##|\psi \rangle## is either symmetric or antisymmetric. In this case, the permutation of the electrons change ##x \rightarrow -x##, so it has the same effect of parity. The hamiltnian above is obviously invariant over parity, and there is a theorem that says ##|\psi \rangle## is an eigenstate of parity (suposing that the spectrum of the hamiltonian is non-degenerated), so it have to be symmetic or antisymmetic. Do I need to determine the wave function ##\psi(x)## to it? I tried to do this, but I get four constants that I can't determine.
 
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Lebnm said:
Now, I know that the states ##|P \rangle## and ##|SM \rangle ## with ##S=1## are symmetric over permutation of the electrons, but I don't know how to determine if ##|\psi \rangle## is either symmetric or antisymmetric.
What does the Pauli principle tell you?
 
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Ok, I understood. The total state have to be antisymmetric, so ##| \psi \rangle ## is antisymmetric, since ##|P\rangle## and ##|S,M\rangle## are symmetric. Solving the problem for ##\psi(x)##, I find

$$
\psi(x) =
\begin{cases}
Ae^{ikx} + Be^{-ikx}, & \text{ if } |x| > a \\
Ce^{ilx} + De^{-ilx}, & \text{ if } |x| \leq a
\end{cases}
$$

where ##k = \sqrt{2\mu E}/\hbar##, ##l = \sqrt{2\mu(E+V_{0})}/\hbar## and ##E = E_{TOT} - E_{CM}##. Imposing that ##\psi(-x) = - \psi(x)##, we have ##A = -B## and ##C = - D##, so

$$
\psi(x) =
\begin{cases}
Asin(kx), & \text{ if } |x| > a \\
Csin(lx), & \text{ if } |x| \leq a
\end{cases}
$$

But ##\psi## also need to be continuous, what implies that ##C = A sin(ka)/sin(la)##, and ##A## have to be chosen such that ##\langle \Psi | \Psi \rangle = 1##. The orbital part of the wave function will be

$$
\Psi(x, X) \propto e^{iPX/\hbar}
\begin{cases}
sin(kx), & \text{ if } |x| > a \\
\frac{sin(ka)}{sin(la)}sin(lx), & \text{ if } |x| \leq a
\end{cases}
$$

where ##X## is the coordinate of C.M. Now I have to multiply this by the spin state. But I have three of them: ##|1,1 \rangle##, ##|1,0 \rangle## and ##|1,-1 \rangle##. Do I need to take a linear combination of them? In this case, my wave function would depend of three constants, is it correct?
 
Can you post the full text of the problem?
 
Actually, this is a problem that I saw in the internet and I don't remember the exact text. But the potential is that ##V## above and the total spin is ##S = 1##. Is this enough to find the soluction?
 
Lebnm said:
Actually, this is a problem that I saw in the internet and I don't remember the exact text. But the potential is that ##V## above and the total spin is ##S = 1##. Is this enough to find the soluction?
No, far from it. At best, this is an exercise to understand the constraints on the spatial wave function.
 

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