MHB Problem about Rodrigues' formula and Legendre polynomials

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The discussion focuses on proving the integral identity $$\int_{-1}^{1} \,{P}_{n}(x){P}_{n}(x)dx = \frac{2}{2n+1}$$ using Rodrigues' formula for Legendre polynomials. The formula is defined as $$P_{n}(x) = \frac{1}{2^nn!}\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n$$. Participants suggest using integration by parts and differentiation techniques to manipulate the integral and derive the desired result. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the properties of Legendre polynomials and their derivatives.

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using Rodrigues' formula show that $$\int_{-1}^{1} \,{P}_{n}(x){P}_{n}(x)dx = \frac{2}{2n+1}$$

$${P}_{n}(x) = \frac{1}{2^nn!}\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n$$

my thoughts

$$\int_{-1}^{1} \,{P}_{n}(x){P}_{n}(x)dx = \frac{1}{2^{2n}(n!)^2}\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

let
$$u = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n$$ and $$du =\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$
$$dv = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^ndx$$ and $$v = \frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n$$

so
$$uv=\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n$$
$$-vdu=-\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

$$uv-vdu = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n-\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

what should I do?
 
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Another said:
using Rodrigues' formula show that $$\int_{-1}^{1} \,{P}_{n}(x){P}_{n}(x)dx = \frac{2}{2n+1}$$

$${P}_{n}(x) = \frac{1}{2^nn!}\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n$$

my thoughts

$$\int_{-1}^{1} \,{P}_{n}(x){P}_{n}(x)dx = \frac{1}{2^{2n}(n!)^2}\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

let
$$u = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n$$ and $$du =\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$
$$dv = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^ndx$$ and $$v = \frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n$$

so
$$uv=\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n$$
$$-vdu=-\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

$$uv-vdu = \frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^n-\int_{-1}^{1} \,\frac{d^{n+1}}{dx^{n+1}}(x^2-1)^n\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2-1)^ndx$$

what should I do?

Hi Another, :)

Interesting question, thanks. Notice that,

$${P}_{n}(x) = \frac{1}{2^nn!}\frac{d^n}{dx^n}(x^2-1)^n=\frac{(2x)n}{2^n n!}\frac{d^{n-1}}{dx^{n-1}}(x^2 - 1)^{n-1}$$

and so on and generally for a differentiation of $r$ times we get,

$${P}_{n}(x) = \frac{(2x)^{r}}{2^n (n-r)!}\frac{d^{n-r}}{dx^{n-r}}(x^2 - 1)^{n-r}$$

No substitute $r=n-1$ and see what you get. I am sure you'll be able to continue from there :)
 
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